AR MAGLOCK/KINGPIN vs FEATURELESS!!!! (NOT WHAT YOU THINK)

[protohyp]

I dont need the system
or to Fire the Ar.
All you need to do is supply a Mesurment.
I will add tape to a fire shell in the primer area . Put it in the Firearm slam the bolt home
Open the action to your measurement using Feeler gauge as a measurement and separate my Billet upper and lower to the measurements you supplied. At the take down pin .
And pull the trigger if there is a fireing pin pothole in the tape the Ar will fire..
You are Selling / pushing a System that by all accounts could put someone in Jail..
If the Ar can Fire with the Upper /lower separated with your product in place bolt forward and can drop the mag and Fire the Ar , You have not separated the action from the Firearm. Pretty plan and simple. I'm not trying to be a Richard . But look what your selling.

action has been interrupted and will not function. For example, disassembling the action on a two part receiver, like that on an AR-15 style firearm, would require the rear take down pin to be removed, the upper receiver lifted upwards and away from the lower receiver using the front pivot pin as the fulcrum, before the magazine may be removed.

[AbeVigoda]

With the two receivers separated, the bolt cannot go back.

It can, however, be opened with the bolt already back. This is a very fine distinction, and it seems you just made your case above, proto...

While you may be able to fire a round (which I have not tried) with the Kinpin engaged (i.e., the two receivers separated) when the bolt is already back, it cannot cycle another round, thus disassembling the semi-auto feature of the rifle.

At that point, it would basically be a single-fire, break-action rifle until the two receivers were put back into the fully assembled position.

[protohyp]

With the two receivers separated, the bolt cannot go back.

It can, however, be opened with the bolt already back. This is a very fine distinction, and it seems you just made your case above, proto...

While you may be able to fire a round (which I have not tried) with the Kinpin engaged (i.e., the two receivers separated) when the bolt is already back, it cannot cycle another round, thus disassembling the semi-auto feature of the rifle.

At that point, it would basically be a single-fire, break-action rifle until the two receivers were put back into the fully assembled position.

[AbeVigoda]

@Proto


It would serve you, as well, to test the firing capabilities with the receivers separated via Kingpin with bolt back.

The above recommended (with tape) is a likely the safest idea. However, an airplane was just a prototype until it flew. While no one is urging you to potentially destroy your firearms or put yourself in harm's way, you should do as much due diligence to be able to answer all questions, especially when safety is at stake.

If someone asks, "what happens when I pull the trigger with the bolt back and the receivers separated, what happens?"

You, as the manufacturer, need to be able to answer that question.

Additionally, via video, go through your techniques SLOWLY, for safe handling and usage. You have hundreds of hours behind the operation, versus anyone who is just interested or recently installed. Or even all the new AR owners out there who don't know the laws and just want that pistol grip.

Consider that. You are the expert with this product.

[protohyp]

@Proto


It would serve you, as well, to test the firing capabilities with the receivers separated via Kingpin with bolt back.

The above recommended (with tape) is a likely the safest idea. However, an airplane was just a prototype until it flew. While no one is urging you to potentially destroy your firearms or put yourself in harm's way, you should do as much due diligence to be able to answer all questions, especially when safety is at stake.

If someone asks, "what happens when I pull the trigger with the bolt back and the receivers separated, what happens?"

You, as the manufacturer, need to be able to answer that question.

Additionally, via video, go through your techniques SLOWLY, for safe handling and usage. You have hundreds of hours behind the operation, versus anyone who is just interested or recently installed. Or even all the new AR owners out there who don't know the laws and just want that pistol grip.

Consider that. You are the expert with this product.

[AbeVigoda]

Riding motorcycles with one wheel in the air wasn't the intended design of motorcycles, but people do wheelies and otherwise know that they very well may loop it.

Do with your product what you will. As the manufacturer, you should know the limits of your product and should be able to answer all questions related to their operation—intended and non-intended.

I have a maglock/kingpin combo and love it. Would I like to know what happens if I don't fully lock the upper receiver into place—accidentally—and pull the trigger? Of course. But do I want to test it on my own? Not really.

I'd also use the 2A analogy: Sure, we have the right to bear arms, but with that comes a great deal of responsibility.

As the manufacturer, this would be your responsibility, again, to know the full limits and capabilities of your work under all conditions. And taking that responsibility would likely end these debates.

[protohyp]

AR MAGLOCK/KINGPIN vs FEATURELESS!!!! (NOT WHAT YOU THINK)

[Dr. Peter Venkman]

Firearm function is 100% the role of the end user otherwise you would fit in the camp that manufacturers are responsible for mass shootings.

You being asked as a manufacturer to show that your product satisfies legal requirements does not make you akin to mass shooters. Come on dude.

[protohyp]

AR MAGLOCK/KINGPIN vs FEATURELESS!!!! (NOT WHAT YOU THINK)

You being asked as a manufacturer to show that your product satisfies legal requirements does not make you akin to mass shooters. Come on dude.

[AbeVigoda]

There are ways to test the function and failure without putting the end user at risk: e.g. Crash test dummies for airbags. Hell, the first animal in space was a monkey.

It's not a question of how one should operate a firearm, but knowing that accidental discharges do happen. If an AD happens with the receivers left open, what would happen? No one seems to know. I'd say, grab a PSA and find out (in a controlled, safe manner).

[protohyp]

AR MAGLOCK/KINGPIN vs FEATURELESS!!!! (NOT WHAT YOU THINK)

There are ways to test the function and failure without putting the end user at risk: e.g. Crash test dummies for airbags. Hell, the first animal in space was a monkey.

It's not a question of how one should operate a firearm, but knowing that accidental discharges do happen. If an AD happens with the receivers left open, what would happen? No one seems to know. I'd say, grab a PSA and find out (in a controlled, safe manner).

[AbeVigoda]

No one said you would be held responsible. Nor was anyone asking what Daniel Defense thinks of how YOUR product would work.

Accidents do happen, which is why airbags in cars exist and are tested. Not because people are encouraged to crash cars, but because accidents happen. If/when the airbag doesn't work, car manufacturers are (under certain circumstances) held responsible.

As a user of your product and someone who is planning on ordering more, I'm asking, "what would happen if an accident happened with your product." Your answer is, "I'm not responsible and if you want to know what would happen email someone else."

Wrong answer.

The correct answer from a responsible business owner is, "I haven't tested it, but I will set up a safe environment to do so, so that my customers can ensure that my product is both legal and safe under all circumstances."

Suggestion: Take two hours out of your day and get an inexpensive upper and figure it out.

[protohyp]

No one said you would be held responsible. Nor was anyone asking what Daniel Defense thinks of how YOUR product would work.

Accidents do happen, which is why airbags in cars exist and are tested. Not because people are encouraged to crash cars, but because accidents happen. If/when the airbag doesn't work, car manufacturers are (under certain circumstances) held responsible.

As a user of your product and someone who is planning on ordering more, I'm asking, "what would happen if an accident happened with your product." Your answer is, "I'm not responsible and if you want to know what would happen email someone else."

Wrong answer.

The correct answer from a responsible business owner is, "I haven't tested it, but I will set up a safe environment to do so, so that my customers can ensure that my product is both legal and safe under all circumstances."

Suggestion: Take two hours out of your day and get an inexpensive upper and figure it out.

[Dr. Peter Venkman]

How can you make this claim if you have not tested it?

[protohyp]

AR MAGLOCK/KINGPIN vs FEATURELESS!!!! (NOT WHAT YOU THINK)

How can you make this claim if you have not tested it?