Ruger PCC Carbine .40 S&W

[mlentzner]

No LRBHO on this PCC?

[crufflers]

No LRBHO on this PCC?

YEAH. LRBHO.

[rlewpolar]

Ruger PCC Carbine .40 S&W

I bought a Ruger PCC 9 recently and love it. I am sorely tempted to buy the .40 version also.

If you are going to run your PCC in 3 gun, I highly recommend the Taccom magwell seen below (hard to see, sorry).

Just curious, how is the recoil in the .40? Not that it is an issue in a PCC, just curious. In my 9, it is virtually nonexistent.




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[sigstroker]

I would think that you'd be at a big disadvantage with a .40. Glockazines don't hold as many bullets as a 9. There aren't many situations where extra power helps in a match. Maybe spinners but there aren't going to be multiple spinners on a stage.

[Olderfart]

I would think that you'd be at a big disadvantage with a .40. Glockazines don't hold as many bullets as a 9. There aren't many situations where extra power helps in a match. Maybe spinners but there aren't going to be multiple spinners on a stage.

The only advantage of a 40SW in 3 gun is if you are shooting spinners or heavy knock over plates. Not much difference in drop running hot loads between a 9mm and a 40 out to 300 yards - a few inches which can be compensated for with either round. The heavy plates can be double tapped quickly and not hurt your time with a 9mm.
Same with a hand gun but minor and major category come into play there.
40SW carries less rounds - Wth mag extensions, 9mm can be 50 easily. Nothing over the counter for the 40SW yet to come close to that.
Not praising the 9mm here - I shoot 40SW

[crufflers]

Same with a hand gun but minor and major category come into play there.
40SW carries less rounds - Wth mag extensions, 9mm can be 50 easily. Nothing over the counter for the 40SW yet to come close to that.
Not praising the 9mm here - I shoot 40SW

I mean, can't you just extend the mags exactly like 9mm? The normal extensions I have seen are 9/40 and add +3 or +2 depending on the caliber but the mag base is the same size for 9/40 on a Glock. Seems like the extreme ones for games would be compatible with 9/40 too.

They have 22 rounders and 31 rounders... how many do you need for a stage beyond 31+1 rounds?

[sigstroker]

They can't extend mags at all in Kalifornistan.

[crufflers]

They can't extend mags at all in Kalifornistan.

He was talking about 9mm being able to extend to 50 rounds. I am just curious if the .40's mag body is the compatible with body extensions... I know the mag bottoms are the same as far as +3 mag bottom replacements, etc...

Yeah I guess if some million mag march Korean 31's made it in that'd be the limit then.

Losing two rounds in a regular cap mag never bothered me especially with 10mm.

[W.R.Buchanan]

I have 9, 10, 13,15,22,and 31 round Glock .40 mags. All the 15,22 and 31 round mags were hold overs from my Keltec S2K, and G35.

We had some heavy poppers in that stage that had to be hit multiple times with a 9MM to knock them over whereas my Rifle and Pistol would knock them over with one shot.

I am not going to take this thread into the 9MM Vs .40 S&W pointless argument again. The .40 is slightly more powerful than the 9MM. Everyone should concede that?

But my main reason for obtaining this gun is because I have 2 .40 cal Glock Pistols a G23 and G35, and have been shooting the G35 for 15 years. I have alot of .40 S&W Magazines! I have no 9MM Magazines. Every Glock magazine I have is compatible with this gun, and I have about 30 of them.

I also cast .40 Cal boolits and Load them. I don't load 9MM and wouldn't even if I had a gun to shoot them as the factory ammo is too cheap to reload. I have seen 9MM ammo at Walmart for as little as $7.00/50 or .14 per round. nobody can make them for that little.

I stopped reloading 12 ga birdshot because I can't load them for .22 per round, like I can buy them at Walmart. Just make sure you buy the Federal 100 round boxes ($21.74) as opposed to the Winchester 100 round boxes for the same price. The Federals just run better in a pump or SA Shotgun.

I am going to my range again in Friday to shoot eh hell out of this gun. It needs "broken in" big time. After a few hundred more rounds I should have the operation down pat and the gun will run better just due to the wearing in. That way next month I'll be fast and smooth which should win me a Gold Star or something shiny.

I like the Taccom Magwell. As far as mag extensions,,, the 9 and .40 magazines are identical except for the follower and feed lips. They will never know what is hanging off the bottom. As far as Capacities go there is 2 rounds difference between 9 and .40 in all of the Glock Mags. I don't see ever needing to go beyond 31 rounds and probably won't even go beyond my 22 rounders as a mag change isn't a big deal for me. The change in the way the gun handles and the extra weight of a zillion rounds on the gun is more important to me.

Randy

[crufflers]

I have 9, 10, 13,15,22,and 31 round Glock .40 mags. All the 15,22 and 31 round mags were hold overs from my Keltec S2K, and G35.

The .40 is slightly more powerful than the 9MM. Everyone should concede that?

I concede it, or rather agree with you

I have a Glock 22 RTF and a Glock 22C... and a CZ40B

Glock 22C is one of the guns handy around the house with some G17 RTF's... I guess I can use them all interchangeably because of the compensator taming that nuclear recoil

I like .40 and three is enough. I have various funny looking Glock mags, but prefer 15's.

[sigstroker]

There's a reason everyone outside of CA has spliced mags or long extensions like 10+. I think USPSA has a max hit count of 34 or 35 per stage, but sometimes people miss, believe it or not. And where I live, there are a lot of outlaw matches that don't use USPSA rules. If you want to see high round stages, search on yootoob for Arizona State PCC Championship. People had to do reloads even with spliced and extended mags.

[Olderfart]

I mean, can't you just extend the mags exactly like 9mm? The normal extensions I have seen are 9/40 and add +3 or +2 depending on the caliber but the mag base is the same size for 9/40 on a Glock. Seems like the extreme ones for games would be compatible with 9/40 too.

They have 22 rounders and 31 rounders... how many do you need for a stage beyond 31+1 rounds?

During freedom week, I invested big time. This is the internet so I'm not gona brag. I haven't been able to get the higher capacity magazine extensions used for 9mm to work with my 40SW mags.+3 no problem but larger hang up quite a bit.
I haven't ever tried to splice mags together before because my stock of pre 2000 mags was running low. Not a problem any more. I guess I have to make time to experiment.

[crufflers]

Yeah I guess that makes sense... that the inard channel of the 9mm extensions would be different than inside a .40 mag... I guess the Taccom and other mag couplers would be a solution if you have enough mags. I forgot about those and was thinking of Kriss body extensions. I'm not in the market, just curious. I don't even use the really weird mags I have now from the march.

[W.R.Buchanan]

Yeah at 69 I'm not exactly competing at the "World Class" level and an extra mag change is not going to hurt me a whole lot.

My shooting is more about Bragging Rights and beating guys who are half my age. It's also about Gun Handling and being able to run the gun in an efficient manner, which means efficient mag changes and clearing malfunctions which bit me hard last week.

It is also about practicing "Performing under Pressure" which is what would happen at Walmart if needed. Like it was in Texas?,,, except nobody was armed because that Walmart is a "Gun Free Zone!"

Bet they change that!

Randy

[W.R.Buchanan]

So I got to the range the other day and blasted off about 150 rounds total. I was mainly trying to make it Malfunction or see what was causing it.

It only managed to burp twice and both times the round ended strait up and down wedged between the Bolt and the Barrel Extension.

I ran my 31 rounders thru with no problems and my 22 rounders as well.

The hiccup occurred using the G27 mag which is so tight you can barely get the 9th round into. it was the second to last round both times that caused the malfunction.

Everything else ran great and the gun is loosening up nicely. I also Switched the Charging Handle back to the right side as all my other carbines are ran like that. I was not adapting to the left side Charging Handle all that well and find it easier to roll the gun to the left and go over the top to operate the Charging Handle like I do on my Kel-Tec SU16, and Mini 14. This keeps my trigger finger in close proximity to the bolt catch in front of the trigger guard.

I basically say in the Rear of the Touareg and peppered the landscape with lead until I had emptied out all my mags. WE have hanging Silhouette chickes at 50 M Pigs at 100 M a Turkey at 150M and a round gong at 200 because buttholes perforated the Ram that used to hang there with AP rounds and now it's gone!

The gun is easy to hit with and so far I am liking it alot. I do want the new fore end as soon as they become available as I can then side mount a sling.

Then went home and cleaned it.

The thing is a breeze to clean after removing the barrel.

There are 2 of these in stock at the Camarillo Gun Store! You should call Karlton and reserve one soon.

Randy