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  • ekkthree
    Member
    • Jul 2018
    • 353

    featureless - how to

    am i correct in understanding that if i go with a hera cqr stock and swap my flash hider for a comp then there's no questions regarding legality? of course my front vertical grip comes off
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    waygeekierthanu
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    • Sep 2010
    • 2714

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    • #3
      Califpatriot
      Senior Member
      • Jul 2016
      • 2438

      Make sure it's the California CQR so you can't wrap your thumb around the grip.
      In case it wasn't obvious, nothing I write here should be interpreted as legal advice.

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      • #4
        Sparrow Dynamics
        Vendor/Retailer
        • Nov 2017
        • 1090

        Yes, basically.
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        • #5
          ekkthree
          Member
          • Jul 2018
          • 353

          how about safeties?
          without the ability to reach it with your thumb, does everyone go with an ambidextrous lever? it seems like it would interfere with where your thumb would rest since you can't wrap around the grip.

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          • #6
            1snowridr
            Member
            • Jan 2017
            • 420

            Originally posted by ekkthree
            how about safeties?
            without the ability to reach it with your thumb, does everyone go with an ambidextrous lever? it seems like it would interfere with where your thumb would rest since you can't wrap around the grip.

            Ca doesn't really care about safety. You should consider switching grips to a Sparrow grip or liberal grip. Fins don't allow a proper grip of the rifle.

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            • #7
              tony270
              Veteran Member
              • Aug 2010
              • 3344

              Originally posted by ekkthree
              am i correct in understanding that if i go with a hera cqr stock and swap my flash hider for a comp then there's no questions regarding legality? of course my front vertical grip comes off
              According to the regulaton, flash suppressors, compensators, and muzzle brakes are defined a Flash Hinders. Here, read this recent topic:

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              • #8
                Sparrow Dynamics
                Vendor/Retailer
                • Nov 2017
                • 1090

                Originally posted by ekkthree
                how about safeties?
                without the ability to reach it with your thumb, does everyone go with an ambidextrous lever? it seems like it would interfere with where your thumb would rest since you can't wrap around the grip.
                Ambi safeties are nice for all featureless grips and stocks. On my CQR, the safety was in the way of my thumb, but it depends on how you hold it (thumb up or thumb forward). I originally bought the CQR because of aesthetics, but sadly it is sitting on a shelf now. It was too uncomfortable and I personally feel like there are way better options. Our rifle grip offers much more comfort and control, but if you are specifically looking for a featureless grip/stock combo, there are a few other options to consider.
                Larry
                SparrowDynamics.com

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                • #9
                  Tere_Hanges
                  Calguns Addict
                  • Mar 2013
                  • 6266

                  Originally posted by tony270
                  According to the regulaton, flash suppressors, compensators, and muzzle brakes are defined a Flash Hinders. Here, read this recent topic:

                  http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s....php?t=1507551
                  Umm, no. Brakes and comps are not the same as "flash hiders". BTW, what is a "flash hinder"? Theres already enough FUD about CA gun laws, no need to make up more dumb chit to spread around.
                  Last edited by Tere_Hanges; 02-01-2019, 1:15 PM.
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                  • #10
                    tony270
                    Veteran Member
                    • Aug 2010
                    • 3344

                    Originally posted by lightcav
                    Umm, no. Brakes and comps are not the same as "flash hiders". BTW, what is a flash hinder? Theres already enough FUD about CA gun laws, no need to make up more dumb chit to spread around.
                    The reg is at that link, the reg includes any devise that divertes the muzzle blast away from the shooter. And we want to get it right, so let me set you straight, I don't spread FUD.
                    *
                    Here's the paragraph that defines a "Flash Suppressor".

                    Originally posted by Califpatriot
                    (r) “Flash suppressor” means any device attached to the end of the barrel, that is designed, intended, or functions to perceptibly reduce or redirect muzzle flash from the shooter's field of vision. A hybrid device that has either advertised flash suppressing properties or functionally has flash suppressing properties would be deemed a flash suppressor. A device labeled or identified by its manufacturer as a flash hider would be deemed a flash suppressor.

                    It's not designed or intended to reduce muzzle flash. It's not designed to redirect it* from the field of vision. And if muzzle flash is reduce in some theoretical way, it's not perceptible.

                    I'd say yes, fairly confidently.

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                    • #11
                      tony270
                      Veteran Member
                      • Aug 2010
                      • 3344

                      ^^^That should Answer your rudely stated question, if you can comprehend.

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                      • #12
                        Tere_Hanges
                        Calguns Addict
                        • Mar 2013
                        • 6266

                        Originally posted by tony270
                        ^^^That should Answer your rudely stated question, if you can comprehend.
                        Haha, you got all butthurt for getting caught spreading FUD. A "flashhider" is not the same as a muzzlebrake or compensator. End of story. Go into a CA gun store some time and check out the CAlegal featureless ARs they have for sale. A bunch of them will have brakes and comps which are perfectly legal.

                        Exhibit A, a Springfield Saint with a CA compliant muzzle brake (NOT A FLASHHIDER!):



                        Exhibit B, a CA legal M1A with muzzlebrake (also NOT A FLASHHIDER!):

                        Last edited by Tere_Hanges; 02-01-2019, 1:39 PM.
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                        • #13
                          Rifle ronin
                          Senior Member
                          • Apr 2016
                          • 1196

                          Grenade launchers, you guys forgot about the grenade launchers...
                          I dreamed of owning a (insert off roster gun here)...

                          Oh yeah....then the earth splits open with me on one side and the (off roster gun) on the other. Then appeared a large red-glowing pit with gavin newscum, diane frankenstein and governor "brown the drain" at the bottom of it, waving their pitchforks at me.
                          (Non caps intended)

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                          • #14
                            ekkthree
                            Member
                            • Jul 2018
                            • 353

                            Originally posted by Sparrow Dynamics
                            Ambi safeties are nice for all featureless grips and stocks. On my CQR, the safety was in the way of my thumb, but it depends on how you hold it (thumb up or thumb forward). I originally bought the CQR because of aesthetics, but sadly it is sitting on a shelf now. It was too uncomfortable and I personally feel like there are way better options. Our rifle grip offers much more comfort and control, but if you are specifically looking for a featureless grip/stock combo, there are a few other options to consider.
                            thank you.
                            i think i need to handle a couple of these featureless rifles to get a feel for it before picking. i went all in on these fixed mag solutions. didn't seem expensive individually, but they added up pretty quick.
                            do you sell the sparrow grips to any oems?

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                            • #15
                              1snowridr
                              Member
                              • Jan 2017
                              • 420

                              Originally posted by ekkthree
                              thank you.
                              i think i need to handle a couple of these featureless rifles to get a feel for it before picking. i went all in on these fixed mag solutions. didn't seem expensive individually, but they added up pretty quick.
                              do you sell the sparrow grips to any oems?
                              Where in Komifornia do you live? If you're near me (Placerville) you can shoot mine. I go regularly.

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