Convert AR15 pistol upper to rifle

[SVGUY]

I have about a dozen AR pistols and take them out to the ranges with fixed mag solutions on a weekly basis.

Thats a sweet looking rig, are in in NorCal ?

[emmortal]

You might connect with Daily Shooter (You Tuber), he may be able to provide locations (So Cal Deserts /open federal land ) where you can shoot. There is lot of open space in SoCal. Hardly any in NorCal.

Adding a new upper + Maglock will keep you compliant.

Or get OnX Hunt app and pay for the membership and you can find all the BLM and public land to shoot on to your hearts desire. It's also invaluable if you are into hunting.

[emmortal]

Thats a sweet looking rig, are in in NorCal ?

Thanks! I'm in SoCal.

[SVGUY]

Its hard to imagine but Nevada closed alot of land to shooters in the past few years.. You would think there was a 100,000s of acres of open land to shot .. but the Lib Govmt banned shooting to a shoe box in Nevada.

[Sniper3142]

But remember if you put a rifle upper on a pistol lower, it will now be considered a rifle and you cant legally convert it back to a pistol again.

Is this based on some stupid California law? Because there is nothing at the federal level like this.

[Quiet]

But remember if you put a rifle upper on a pistol lower, it will now be considered a rifle and you cant legally convert it back to a pistol again.

Is this based on some stupid California law? Because there is nothing at the federal level like this.

It is based off of CA SBR/SBS laws that were based off of pre-2011 ATF ruling on Federal SBR/SBS laws.


Post-2011 Federal...
Title 1 Handgun -> Title 1 Rilfe -> Title 1 Handgun = legal, firearm is still a Title 1 Handgun.

Pre-2011 Federal and current CA...
Title 1 Handgun -> Title 1 Rifle -> Title 1 Handgun = illegal SBR.

[tatt00edangel]

So if I add a device to make it a fixed mag, I can still shoot it? Also can I use bullet button, does the no "flash suppresor" rule apply? Do I need to make it cal compliant with a fin grip or something?
Is there a link to the legal verbiage that says that I can still shoot it so that I can keep a copy in my case? Thanks a lot.

[Quiet]

So if I add a device to make it a fixed mag, I can still shoot it? Also can I use bullet button, does the no "flash suppresor" rule apply? Do I need to make it cal compliant with a fin grip or something?
Is there a link to the legal verbiage that says that I can still shoot it so that I can keep a copy in my case? Thanks a lot.

Starting 01-01-2017, in order for it to have a fixed magazine and not be considered an assault weapon, the "bullet button" style magazine lock needs to be replaced with a 2017 compliant magazine lock.

Assault weapons laws for handguns are similar, but different than those for rifles.
Which is why a "fin grip" does nothing to affect the legality of a handgun.

A semi-auto pistol that does not have a fixed magazine and has restricted features is an assault weapon. [PC 30515(a)(4)]
As long as the semi-auto pistol has a fixed magazine, it can legally have restricted features.

[Sniper3142]

It is based off of CA SBR/SBS laws that were based off of pre-2011 ATF ruling on Federal SBR/SBS laws.


Post-2011 Federal...
Title 1 Handgun -> Title 1 Rilfe -> Title 1 Handgun = legal, firearm is still a Title 1 Handgun.

Pre-2011 Federal and current CA...
Title 1 Handgun -> Title 1 Rifle -> Title 1 Handgun = illegal SBR.

I already know that.

My question was what law says an AR Pistol becomes a Rifle when an upper with a 16 inch or longer barrel is attached to it?

[tuolumnejim]

Its hard to imagine but Nevada closed alot of land to shooters in the past few years.. You would think there was a 100,000s of acres of open land to shot .. but the Lib Govmt banned shooting to a shoe box in Nevada.

Lol, nope. Now the BLM closed some for fire restrictions but thats it.

[BarrettM99]

There's quite a few companies that sell mag lock devices to convert it to a fixed magazine which is what you have to do with AR pistols. 33.3 tactical, Juggernaut, MagLock etc all make devices that will make it legal. I have about a dozen AR pistols and take them out to the ranges with fixed mag solutions on a weekly basis.

My personal favorite set up is the 33.3 tactical mag catch device coupled with the Juggernaut rear take down pin. But YMMV. Good luck.

That is really, really well done. Looks great.

[ar15barrels]

I'd like to change my pistol upper to a rifle upper, what parts can I salvage from the pistol upper or does it make more sense just to pick up a completed rifle upper?

All it usually takes is a muzzle device that's long enough to get your barrel beyond 16".
Have the muzzle device perm attached.

[Quiet]

I already know that.

My question was what law says an AR Pistol becomes a Rifle when an upper with a 16 inch or longer barrel is attached to it?

Under CA laws...

A "handgun" is a firearm with a less than 16" barrel length.

If you install a 16" or greater barrel length on the "handgun", it legally becomes a "long gun".

[tacticalcity]

Starting 01-01-2017, in order for it to have a fixed magazine and not be considered an assault weapon, the "bullet button" style magazine lock needs to be replaced with a 2017 compliant magazine lock.

Assault weapons laws for handguns are similar, but different than those for rifles.
Which is why a "fin grip" does nothing to affect the legality of a handgun.

A semi-auto pistol that does not have a fixed magazine and has restricted features is an assault weapon. [PC 30515(a)(4)]
As long as the semi-auto pistol has a fixed magazine, it can legally have restricted features.

I must have explained this to a friend who is a cop a 1000 times. Each time he says he thinks he is good because it has a bullet button. I cite the PC, I explain how it works, I refer him to charts. Never sinks in. And he's a cop!

His excuse is he's too fed up with the legislature. Every word of it pisses him off, and he stops thinking about what B.S. this is and stops actually listening. Understandable. However...I remind him, he's a cop!

Up side, lots of pro-2A cops out there who look at this as B.S. and will never enforce it. Downside, lots of non-2A cops looking to burn them, and us if we don't jump through these hoops.

No, he can't just get a letter just because he is a cop. Most departments don't issue those. If they do, they have a laundry list of hoops to jump through. No, you can't have his name.

[tacticalcity]

All it usually takes is a muzzle device that's long enough to get your barrel beyond 16".
Have the muzzle device perm attached.

Also, loctite is not considered permanently attached, even if you use the red stuff. You need to drill, then pin, then weld it on there. Probably other ATF approved methods out there, but this is the only one I have seen. ARBarrels knows more about this stuff than I do. He does it for a living.