Gun Shop Owners Be Sure About New Automatic Law

[BONECUTTER]

An FFL07 could disassemble the action of the firearm to render it *NOT* an AW.

FUD

From DOJ....

So FUD....

An 07 has nothing to do with CA law....period. Federally it is a manufacturer license, they do not have a de-manufacturer license.

FROM DOJ Bulletin to FFL's:

The purpose of this notice is to advise California Firearms Dealers (CFD) thatthe
possession of ANY dangerous weapon, without a Dangerous Weapons
License/Permit(s) (DWP) issued by the Department of Justice ‐ Bureau of
Firearms, is prohibited. Such possession may result in criminal charges and arrest.
REMINDERS FOR CURRENT DWP HOLDERS:
There is no DWP condition that authorizes CFDs to convert assault weapons
into California compliant firearms

Since 1/1/2017 Bullet Button firearms are considered Assault Weapons.

[apbrian112]

The things Californians obsess and worry about is staggering. Pssst, this doesn't exist if you cross that border to your east or north.....well, until you get to New York I suppose. Your first sniff of freedom after moving out might be scary and confusing, but that will pass.

If trying to stay legal is considered obsessing or worrying about then I suppose that's a good thing.

Go back to farmersonly.com

[cineski]

Chill out. My comment was aimed at what you have to go through because of your tyrannical government. It just doesn't exist in this place called America.

If trying to stay legal is considered obsessing or worrying about then I suppose that's a good thing.

Go back to farmersonly.com

[BONECUTTER]

Chill out. My comment was aimed at what you have to go through because of your tyrannical government. It just doesn't exist in this place called America.

There's a lot of places in AMERICA with a tyrannical governments:


Unless you are trying to say Merica....and you must not of been around from 1994-2004 when the Federal AW ban was in place.....cause that effective all these other "FREE" states.

[cineski]

Perfect example of stockholm syndrome exists with you, and I'm talking about THE America, not 'merica, America. Head east, young grasshopper, you can buy whatever you want across that border. Life is vastly cheaper. People aren't afraid of their local governments. Once you're there, turn around and do all you can to make sure the CA crazy stays within CA. Anyway, I'm not trying to post here to pick on people, just flabbergasted at what you all have to put up with. I can barely remember the baboonery of California, but I do remember when the laws lifted after moving out, I felt an odd sensation of dizziness ;-). Just interesting to read this stuff and realizing it can't exist unless you all put up with it or fund it.

There's a lot of places in AMERICA with a tyrannical governments:


Unless you are trying to say Merica....and you must not of been around from 1994-2004 when the Federal AW ban was in place.....cause that effective all these other "FREE" states.

[BONECUTTER]

Gun Shop Owners Be Sure About New Automatic Law

Perfect example of stockholm syndrome exists with you, and I'm talking about THE America, not 'merica, America. Head east, young grasshopper, you can buy whatever you want across that border. Life is vastly cheaper. People aren't afraid of their local governments. Once you're there, turn around and do all you can to make sure the CA crazy stays within CA. Anyway, I'm not trying to post here to pick on people, just flabbergasted at what you all have to put up with. I can barely remember the baboonery of California, but I do remember when the laws lifted after moving out, I felt an odd sensation of dizziness ;-). Just interesting to read this stuff and realizing it can't exist unless you all put up with it or fund it.

[cineski]

I don't get any of your responses, Bonecutter. I don't care about your personal resume. Everyone stays in places for their own reasons, but you're still putting up with the insanity and the tyranny. Your personal story doesn't prevent me from looking back (after being in CA for over a decade) and stating that the state is insane and that I feel very bad for what you all have to put up with there. Again, my comments aren't aimed at you, they're aimed at the state. Well, perhaps they were a bit inflammatory but does that mean the meaning is less? No.

But it is your choice, and shooting back at me by saying "it's coming for you" or there's so much tyranny under many countries in the western hemisphere is just a strange reply and written like a Californian. Right now, the insanity that Californians are dealing with simply doesn't exist in free America and it's looking like the fight against the left is going okay (except in CA and NY). Anyway, none of this was every aimed at you but you're taking it extremely personally, which is another sign of Stockholm Syndrome . But any place a free people exist, I'll argue that it will always be teetering on the edge of tyranny. It just happens to weight more on the side of freedom when the population doesn't have to put up with what Californians have to put up with.

[BONECUTTER]

I don't get any of your responses, Bonecutter. I don't care about your personal resume. Everyone stays in places for their own reasons, but you're still putting up with the insanity and the tyranny. Your personal story doesn't prevent me from looking back (after being in CA for over a decade) and stating that the state is insane and that I feel very bad for what you all have to put up with there. Again, my comments aren't aimed at you, they're aimed at the state.

But it is your choice, and shooting back at me by saying "it's coming for you" or there's so much tyranny under many countries in the western hemisphere is just a strange reply. Right now, the insanity that Californians are dealing with simply doesn't exist in free America and it's looking like the fight against the left is going okay (except in CA and NY). Anyway, none of this was every aimed at you but you're taking it extremely personally, which is another sign of Stockholm Syndrome .

[Free_Citizen_Shop]

The shop would absolutely get destroyed if they got audited and were found with either:
(a) unregistered AW's
(b) registered AW's without having a AW permit

There is a reason why DOJ issues DWP's.

No one is getting destroyed, just relax. Its as easy as removing the mag release to take it out of the AW category, it instantly becomes single shot. Not the best but also removing the upper is an option because running rimfire also takes it out of the AW category. I am sure some DOJ agents want to put us all in jail but some are just trying to get through this just like we are. My shop is open to make people compliant until we hear otherwise from the DOJ.

[BONECUTTER]

Its as easy as removing the mag release to take it out of the AW category, it instantly becomes single shot.

The DOJ regs section M contradicts that greatly.

An AR-15 style firearm lacking a magazine catch assembly (magazine catch, magazine catch spring and magazine release button) constitutes a detachable magazine.

Taking the upper off is legal though.

[jonnyt16]

See....you simply don't understand. Cineski tried explaining it to you but you just don't get it. You've lived in California far too long.

Life is a whole lot different outside of your state....there are a lot of folks here who are tremendously passionate about their liberties and take the Second Amendment VERY seriously. We will not, ever, let the Second Amendment dissolve to the near non-existent level of California. And I'm talking about folks both in and out of uniform. We train together and we train often. And our elected officials know this.

[Free_Citizen_Shop]

The DOJ regs section M contradicts that greatly.



Taking the upper off is legal though.

Thats good to know. You have a code section I can look up? How can a magazine be detached if it can't be installed? I look into it thanks for the info

[Free_Citizen_Shop]

The DOJ regs section M contradicts that greatly.



Taking the upper off is legal though.

(1) A semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that has the capacity to accept a detachable magazine and any one of
the following:

I'm guess what you have contradicts this, because without a mag catch it cant accept a magazine which pulls it out the AW category

[BONECUTTER]

Thats good to know. You have a code section I can look up? How can a magazine be detached if it can't be installed? I look into it thanks for the info

CCR 5471 (M)
https://govt.westlaw.com/calregs/Doc...ta=(sc.Default)

An AR-15 style firearm lacking a magazine catch assembly (magazine catch, magazine catch spring and magazine release button) constitutes a detachable magazine. An AK-47 style firearm lacking a magazine catch assembly (magazine catch, spring and rivet/pin) constitutes a detachable magazine.

(1) A semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that has the capacity to accept a detachable magazine and any one of
the following:

I'm guess what you have contradicts this, because without a mag catch it cant accept a magazine which pulls it out the AW category

fixed magazine but has any one of the following:

https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes_displaySection.xhtml?sectionNum=30515.&lawCode=PEN

Definition for fixed mag is in the same CCR 5471.

contained in, or permanently attached to, a firearm in such a manner that the device cannot be removed without disassembly of the firearm actionContained inPermanently attached toDisassembly of the firearm action

[Silence Dogood]

My friends cineski, apbrian112, BONECUTTER, johnnyt16:

Let's remember that we are on the same team. WE want to see the 2A (likely the whole Bill of Rights) endure along with our Republic. I've lived all across our nation so I can understand and sympathize with the points being made by all four of you:


cineski: It's okay to rub salt in the wounds of California gun owners. We in the Golden State do know that our rights are being violated and that may make it hard for some of us to silently endure it when that fact is pointed out to us as boisterously as you did it. But that doesn't change the fact. In a literal sense, salt in the wound may help in healing but it is bitter (read painful) medicine.

apbrian112: cineski doesn't currently live here. He's not in the trenches with us. While it may not be very polite for him to ridicule us, you only lower yourself with ignorant digs like yours. I personally know very smart, intellectually capable and highly philosophical farmers. Besides, cineski didn't say anything about farming!

BONECUTTER: You make some important and valid arguments. I agree with you that "moving east isn't a solution" but unless you want to be the only voice/ taxpayer/ vote remaining, rather than wishing ill on our brethren

I’ll tag you in a few years when your free America goes to CA standards. Hopefully it’s not too soon.

with what seems to me to be a defeatist attitude, let's help folks like cineski see and understand that their freedoms are no less vulnerable than ours are.

johnnyt16: I'm afraid, my friend, that you don't get it. Consider, Phil Scott: a Republican governor in Vermont. Vermont was/ is a place where most people support 2A, regardless of Democrat or Republican. Scott recently signed three gun control bills, one of which limited magazine capacity and another which banned bump stocks--two unconstitutional infringements on the law abiding American's RIGHT to keep and bear arms, both of which were already law in California. I wonder how many Vermonters said as you did, "We will not ever let the Second Amendment dissolve" before they were betrayed by Phil Scot. The point is that California laws often precede similar legislation in other states and/or at the federal level.


My friends, the philosophy of divide-and-conquer, also known as divide-and-rule, is millennia old (see Philip II of Macedon). Those who would use it against us would have us believe that U.S. citizens on the coasts are so very different than everyone else. Unfortunately, they are succeeding. This is something that many land-locked individuals think about coastal people and lots of city folk think about the rural dweller. But the truth is that as U.S. citizens, despite our many differences, we have more in common with each other than any of us has with the citizens of other nations. Respect for our Federal Constitution, and the struggles undergone to create and ratify it, IS one of them.

If you can afford to live here, please stay here and VOTE here to defend our freedoms. If you can afford a vacation rental here and have other residency in a "free" state, leave your NFA guns there and move your voter reg. here to join the fight on the front line!

When in the course of human history has a defending force, whose front line retreated to a safer position instead of staying to fight, successfully held its ground?