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  • Ronyo
    Junior Member
    • Aug 2017
    • 30

    Assault weapon or not.

    I have single shot AR-15, ie, I took off the gas block.
    Is that still considered a California AW? will I need to register it?
  • #2
    waygeekierthanu
    Vendor/Retailer
    • Sep 2010
    • 2716

    My understanding is that they would still consider it an assault weapon. Since the hole is still drilled. If the whole wasn't drilled maybe not.

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    • #3
      Kwikvette
      Veteran Member
      • Oct 2015
      • 3704

      There's a lot of talk about an AR15 considered as "broken" vs "converted to single shot" just because you removed the gas block, etc.

      Do you currently reside in CA? or ID?
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      • #4
        Quiet
        retired Goon
        • Mar 2007
        • 30241

        Since 2000, CA DOJ BOF has accepted that removing the gas-tube/piston and plugging the gas block makes the firearm no longer semi-auto.

        Since it is no longer semi-auto, it no longer meets the definition of an assault weapon.

        Due to previous cases involving "broken" assault weapons, it is prudent to store/transport the parts that would make it semi-auto separately from the firearm.
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        • #5
          CessnaDriver
          I need a LIFE!!
          • Feb 2009
          • 10540

          Originally posted by Quiet
          Since 2000, CA DOJ BOF has accepted that removing the gas-tube/piston and plugging the gas block makes the firearm no longer semi-auto.

          Since it is no longer semi-auto, it no longer meets the definition of an assault weapon.

          Due to previous cases involving "broken" assault weapons, it is prudent to store/transport the parts that would make it semi-auto separately from the firearm.

          What about fixed magazines?
          I thought to keep a factory part in the pistol grip to put it back to non-fixed for trips to AZ. Not cool?


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          • #6
            caliguy93
            Senior Member
            • Jun 2016
            • 1512

            Also the new registration regulations say the firearm has to be “complete and fully
            Functional” to be eligible for assault weapon registration

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            • #7
              Featureless
              CGN/CGSSA Contributor
              CGN Contributor
              • Mar 2018
              • 2267

              No simple answer is there? That's exactly the way they want it. Or, maybe they actually ARE that stupid.
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              • #8
                Quiet
                retired Goon
                • Mar 2007
                • 30241

                Originally posted by CessnaDriver
                What about fixed magazines?
                I thought to keep a factory part in the pistol grip to put it back to non-fixed for trips to AZ. Not cool?
                The "broken" assault weapon issue dealt with the firearm being semi-auto or not.

                Assembled non-functional semi-auto centerfire rifle with restricted features and with the parts, to make it function as a semi-auto, stored nearby the firearm equated to "broken" assault weapon.
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                • #9
                  alpha_romeo_XV
                  Veteran Member
                  • Jun 2006
                  • 2887

                  OP I'm curious to hear more details on the rest of the rifle you'd do this to, and what type of shooting you'd be happy doing with it? Is it your only AR15?

                  If a good accurate varmint set up for bench shooting it might make sense as a "single shot". If a low end carbine then not very practical.

                  Why not go featureless or sell and get a bolt rifle?

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                  • #10
                    Dvrjon
                    CGN/CGSSA Contributor - Lifetime
                    CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                    • Nov 2012
                    • 11272

                    Originally posted by Ronyo
                    I have single shot AR-15, ie, I took off the gas block.
                    Is that still considered a California AW? will I need to register it?
                    Perhaps the regulations address this?
                    https://govt.westlaw.com/calregs/Doc...ta=(sc.Default)
                    (hh) “Semiautomatic” means a firearm functionally able to fire a single cartridge, eject the empty case, and reload the chamber each time the trigger is pulled and released. Further, certain necessary mechanical parts that will allow a firearm to function in a semiautomatic nature must be present for a weapon to be deemed semiautomatic. A weapon clearly designed to be semiautomatic but lacking a firing pin, bolt carrier, gas tube, or some other crucial part of the firearm is not semiautomatic for purposes of Penal Code sections 30515, 30600, 30605(a), and 30900.

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                    • #11
                      Ronyo
                      Junior Member
                      • Aug 2017
                      • 30

                      Originally posted by alpha_romeo_XV
                      what type of shooting you'd be happy doing with it? Is it your only AR15?
                      Why not go featureless or sell and get a bolt rifle?
                      Ok, This one is a 6.5 Grendel and I have others.
                      I am trying to find the easiest way to be in compliance in CA and also have the option to reverse it if I decide to take it back up north again.

                      Featureless? funny and stupid looking, I rather not have it at all.

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                      • #12
                        tal3nt
                        Veteran Member
                        • Mar 2012
                        • 3168

                        FC hook

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                        • #13
                          superdave50
                          Senior Member
                          • Feb 2017
                          • 813

                          if you're not planning to fire it that way (and why would you? ) just remove the upper and keep them in the safe. no travel restrictions on separated halves either

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                          • #14
                            Sparrow Dynamics
                            Vendor/Retailer
                            • Nov 2017
                            • 1090

                            Originally posted by Ronyo
                            Ok, This one is a 6.5 Grendel and I have others.
                            I am trying to find the easiest way to be in compliance in CA and also have the option to reverse it if I decide to take it back up north again.

                            Featureless? funny and stupid looking, I rather not have it at all.
                            Featureless doesn’t have to be funny or stupid looking. It is a very functional rifle (with a fully functional magazine release) that can be easily converted back to a normal AR if you shoot out of state. Featureless is CA legal with no “AW” registration.

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                            • #15
                              kenl
                              Senior Member
                              • May 2012
                              • 1710

                              OP, you have a broken rifle that you had to work at making that way, all for the sake of not registering it and using it only out of state? Is that's what we're looking at?

                              Do what you feel comfortable with, but featureless or mag locked are very viable options that don't neuter your rifle nearly as much as what your proposing.

                              BTW I also have a 6.5G upper, that sits on a spikes lower with a Thordson stock. It's a very usable featureless combo, and quickly becoming one of my favorite rifles. It will be one of my hunting rifles this fall.

                              Don't like or want to spend the$ on the Thordson, check out the sparrow grip above and the strike stock lock. Inexpensive and IMHO simpler to install and to take off than messing with the gas block and tube. And you end up with a fully functioning rifle

                              Want your features? Check out this thread. http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s....php?t=1299090 In the end you will still end up with something considerably better than a broken rifle with questionable legal standing.
                              Last edited by kenl; 04-29-2018, 8:31 AM.
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