Frangible ammo in .300 BLK, effective for "stopping power"?

[repoman1984]

I can't seem to find any real info on .300 blackout being effective (especially looking for heavier grain loads) for actual "stopping power" not hunting just SD/HD applications I like the idea they are relatively safer than FMJ's punching through drywall and creating a dangerous situation. But, are they as effective as traditional bullet designs like FMJ/JHP?

[mif_slim]

https://www.lehighdefense.com/products/300-aac-blackout-whisper-194gr-subsonic-maximum-expansion-ammo?variant=1066138648

one of many...

[repoman1984]

ty for the link but I was under the impression frangible was powdered metal inside a jacket exclusively. Looks like a good design and I love the weight but I was referring to something akin to glaser safety slugs.

like this guy on the left here.

[sigstroker]

Frangible bullets aren't for defense.

[repoman1984]

yes but, aren't they theoretically safer for residential use? the whole idea is if I shoot at a home intruder and miss I want the projectile to lose as much kinetic energy as possible.

[NapalmCheese]

yes but, aren't they theoretically safer for residential use? the whole idea is if I shoot at a home intruder and miss I want the projectile to lose as much kinetic energy as possible.

If you feel that the FBI protocol for bullet testing is applicable to choosing self defense ammo then you'll have to realize that any bullet that can pass that test will penetrate many walls. Any bullet that won't penetrate many walls won't pass the FBI test.

In other words, if you shoot at a home intruder and hit do you want to have used a bullet with the best potential for immediately incapacitating your aggressor? Or would you prefer to have shot your aggressor with a bullet that is less likely to immediately incapacitate and is also less likely to cause collateral damage had you missed?

[-hanko]

Since I've asked it a hundred times...

...without a response, I'll give it another try...

Has anyone ever seen a report of a bullet hurting someone in another room, apartment, condo, or any place else during a HD shooting?

[WHH]

...without a response, I'll give it another try...

Has anyone ever seen a report of a bullet hurting someone in another room, apartment, condo, or any place else during a HD shooting?

I don't know about HD specifically but people definitely get killed by bullets that have passed through walls. Since it's possible for a bullet to kill someone after passing through a wall, it's just a matter of luck whether or not it will happen. So is needing to use your gun in an HD scenario. If you'd prepare for that unlikely event, why not prepare for the equally likely event that you may miss and send a bullet through the wall into a family member's room?

[sigstroker]

Then get a Taser, not a gun.

[mlentzner]

...without a response, I'll give it another try...

Has anyone ever seen a report of a bullet hurting someone in another room, apartment, condo, or any place else during a HD shooting?

I haven't.

And I'm with you on this. If you are legitimately in a HD situation where you have to discharge your weapon to save yourself or your family then the chance of hitting a neighbor should be far from your mind.

It's difference of a 50/50 chance of dying vs. a 1 in a 1000 chance of injuring someone in a nearby house.

And yes, you shouldn't be using things like steel core bullets. But don't get so carried away that you are risking your own life.

[-hanko]

I don't know about HD specifically but people definitely get killed by bullets that have passed through walls. Since it's possible for a bullet to kill someone after passing through a wall, it's just a matter of luck whether or not it will happen. So is needing to use your gun in an HD scenario. If you'd prepare for that unlikely event, why not prepare for the equally likely event that you may miss and send a bullet through the wall into a family member's room?

Only because a door knob without a door stop can definitely puncture a wall without much force.

I haven't.

And I'm with you on this. If you are legitimately in a HD situation where you have to discharge your weapon to save yourself or your family then the chance of hitting a neighbor should be far from your mind.

It's difference of a 50/50 chance of dying vs. a 1 in a 1000 chance of injuring someone in a nearby house.

And yes, you shouldn't be using things like steel core bullets. But don't get so carried away that you are risking your own life.

I'd observe that suggesting bird shot and, believe it or not, a .38 snake shot cartridge, indicates that those opting for that kind of ammo may have missed basic high school physics.

The goal continues to be to stop the actor. A bit of reading FBI suggested penetration info as well as ammo testing, e.g. "box of truth" or similar may be helpful.

[WHH]

I haven't.

And I'm with you on this. If you are legitimately in a HD situation where you have to discharge your weapon to save yourself or your family then the chance of hitting a neighbor should be far from your mind.

It's difference of a 50/50 chance of dying vs. a 1 in a 1000 chance of injuring someone in a nearby house.

And yes, you shouldn't be using things like steel core bullets. But don't get so carried away that you are risking your own life.

[mlentzner]

With all respect, that is not logical. If there's a 1 in 1000 chance of having a violent home invasion and a 1 in 1000 chance of shooting someone by accident due to over penetration then there's a 1 in a 1000000 chance of both happening. If you *DO* have a home invasion the chances of an accidental shoot doesn't get more likely.

The accidental hit on an innocent is predicated on there being a home invasion already. I sincerely hope that people are discharging their firearms in their house for any other reasons!

And of course you wouldn't shoot into a wall where you know your family is on the other side. Interior walls are nothing. Any bullet worth shooting is going through. But you should have worked that out so you don't have to take that shot (as you say).

The concern I have with other people's concern is with shooting your neighbor. IMO that's an acceptable risk if I have a sincere fear for my life or my family's to extent that I'm willing to discharge my weapon.

[WHH]

With all respect, that is not logical. If there's a 1 in 1000 chance of having a violent home invasion and a 1 in 1000 chance of shooting someone by accident due to over penetration then there's a 1 in a 1000000 chance of both happening. If you *DO* have a home invasion the chances of an accidental shoot doesn't get more likely.

The accidental hit on an innocent is predicated on there being a home invasion already. I sincerely hope that people are discharging their firearms in their house for any other reasons!

And of course you wouldn't shoot into a wall where you know your family is on the other side. Interior walls are nothing. Any bullet worth shooting is going through. But you should have worked that out so you don't have to take that shot (as you say).

The concern I have with other people's concern is with shooting your neighbor. IMO that's an acceptable risk if I have a sincere fear for my life or my family's to extent that I'm willing to discharge my weapon.