Telescoping Arm Brace w/featureless build question?

[TheJMac83]

Question:
Might be a dumb question but, are we allowed to use a telescopic arm brace on a featureless build, similar to the type SB Tac sells? I could be wrong but, they aren’t technically considered a rifle stock, so would it fall under the same restrictions?

https://www.sb-tactical.com/

[caliguy93]

Short answer is you may be right but the law enforcement officer may not understand all the ins and outs and you would be buying trouble.

There’s also the argument that since it has no stock, it is not intended to be fired from The shoulder thus not making it a rifle and just an “other” firearm like a 1919 belt fed and no fixed magazine is required anyways. It all depends on what you want the small chance of LEO interaction to look like

[TheJMac83]

[superhondaz50]

Dealers need to start pushing others, would be good to get this stuff more known to the public and LE, would be bad because it'll eventually be banned.

[caliguy93]

Well let’s face it, gun ownership is extremely technical and requires knowledge and experience to fully understand them. Even for you, the firearms owner not being completely sure what is legal and what isn’t who should be extremely familiar with firearm laws isn’t sure. Can you imagine a law enforcement officer who hasn’t not had the same Exposure to firearms. There are tens of thousands of other laws they have to know too, and just because they carry a firearm doesn’t mean they are gun people. It’s the same with lawyers and judges, most of the time, they have no idea what the difference in calibers mean.

[SVT-40]

Think simply. If you're building a rifle, rifle laws would be applicable. So if the part that attaches to rear tube can be adjusted and it's on a rifle.. It's probably going to be considered an adjustable stock.

[caliguy93]

Think simply. If you're building a rifle, rifle laws would be applicable. So if the part that attaches to rear tube can be adjusted and it's on a rifle.. It's probably going to be considered an adjustable stock.

[Sanch116]

Would your rifle with this arm brace be under 30"???

[superhondaz50]

The first question should be, was the firearm ever a rifle. If not then... Use your imagination.

[TheJMac83]

Think simply. If you're building a rifle, rifle laws would be applicable. So if the part that attaches to rear tube can be adjusted and it's on a rifle.. It's probably going to be considered an adjustable stock.

Makes sense but is that indeed technically the law, or how you're perceiving it? This is a hypothetical question and I'm not planning on using an adjustable brace it's just a question I couldn't answer so thought I would put it up for debate.

[TheJMac83]

Would your rifle with this arm brace be under 30"???

No oal over 30" as required with a featureless rifle.

[SVT-40]

No oal over 30" as required with a featureless rifle.

It's a "featureless" rifle. That means it cannot have an adjustable stock of any sort. It does not matter if the "stock" is made from a pistol brace or a shovel.

If the "stock" can be adjusted for length. The rifle is not "featureless" and would be illegal.

[TheJMac83]

It's a "featureless" rifle. That means it cannot have an adjustable stock of any sort. It does not matter if the "stock" is made from a pistol brace or a shovel.

If the "stock" can be adjusted for length. The rifle is not "featureless" and would be illegal.

So an arm brace on a rifle is considered a stock but not on a pistol?

[SVT-40]

So an arm brace on a rifle is considered a stock but not on a pistol?

Bingo!!

Anything can be considered a "stock" when on the back end of a rifle. Put a shovel handle on it. It's a "stock"...

Pistols don't have "stocks"... they are allowed to have "braces".

[TheJMac83]

Bingo!!

Anything can be considered a "stock" when on the back end of a rifle. Put a shovel handle on it. It's a "stock"...

Pistols don't have "stocks"... they are allowed to have "braces".

Thanks for your efforts in explaining! Do you see where this is all very ridiculous and why it propelled me to ask the forum?!?...