1st scope, shooting HIGH, assistance =( (POSP)

[Nefarious]

This being my first scope, I have NO experience in zero'ing one in.
I picked up one of those Russian POSP scopes Wes is selling - It is being mounted on a flat top AR (on a side note, Grammatons love for this scope is well founded. They are SOLID).

forgive my terminology if incorrect -

First use: mounted directly onto the AR with the scopes weaver mount. Went through 5 rounds, which all were WAY to high. Adjusted the elevation per the top turret, and I had to turn it to the HIGHEST that it would allow (I believe that setting is 0?? either way, turning the dial the other way moves the crosshairs down - definately not where I want it to be). Next 5 rounds were still shooting HIGH. WAY off target.

Second use: Picked up a 1" riser mount which mounted right onto my flat top. I figured this was the obvious solution . Again mounted scope onto the riser. First 5 shots STILL too high. I cannot adjust the elevation in the scope anymore.. its maxed out if you will.

Would look EXTREEMLY stupid to have a riser mounted on a riser I think it just comes down to... me not knowing what im doing?

[6172crew]

At what range did you try to BZO your scope in at? 50-100yard?

When mounting a scope make sure the scope is pushed forward before tighting the screws down and Id say you want the glass as close to the same plane as the barrel. Can you show us some pics of your setup?

Its possible your scope doesnt have teh adjustments that are needed for your setup.

[Nefarious]

At what range did you try to BZO your scope in at? 50-100yard?

When mounting a scope make sure the scope is pushed forward before tighting the screws down and Id say you want the glass as close to the same plane as the barrel. Can you show us some pics of your setup?

Its possible your scope doesnt have teh adjustments that are needed for your setup.

Well
I took the scope with me, last minute, out to an OPEN range.. not even a range.. took it out to Jacumba - dont laugh . I had planned on going to P2K where wind would not be a factor and ACCURATE distance would be known, but decided to goof off with it yesterday. I had targets at 25/50/50+ yards est. I know I know - I could have been way off. If I came close to hitting my target at ANY distance, I probably would have waited untill I got out to P2K (im in El Cajon anyway), but man they were off.

I can definately post some pictures when I get home - wont be untill 2pm though

[crzpete]

Dose it say what band scope is your Russian POSP?

PSO/POSP are really good FOR THE MONEY and very strong , they are a good choice for AK, not for a more accurate rifles.

Best russian brands
BELOMO/ZENITH and NOBOSIBIRSK OPTICAL PLANT.

[C.G.]

PSO/POSP are really good FOR THE MONEY and very strong , they are a good choice for AK, not for a more accurate rifles.

Best russian brands
BELOMO/ZENITH and NOBOSIBIRSK OPTICAL PLANT.

Maybe for the AK they are good, not that great for flat tops. I bought mine with a weaver mount about a year ago, the weaver mount broke after six months or so, optics are OK but not great.

You can adjust the elevation by taking the knob off; there will be two screws when unscrewed will give you the chance to move elevation (just make sure you know which direction).

[Nefarious]

Dose it say what band scope is your Russian POSP?

PSO/POSP are really good FOR THE MONEY and very strong , they are a good choice for AK, not for a more accurate rifles.

Best russian brands
BELOMO/ZENITH and NOBOSIBIRSK OPTICAL PLANT.

This is the Belomo POSP 4-8x42 WD w/ Laser - the weaver mounted model. Wes @ tenpercentfirearms has them in stock

Definately very strong, looks like it can take a beating and keep on ticking

[Nefarious]

Maybe for the AK they are good, not that great for flat tops. I bought mine with a weaver mount about a year ago, the weaver mount broke after six months or so, optics are OK but not great.

You can adjust the elevation by taking the knob off; there will be two screws when unscrewed will give you the chance to move elevation (just make sure you know which direction).

Being my first scope, I have no comparison, but the optics look awesome on this one

I was thinking that this could be done

[Nefarious]

Ok so my digi cam battery is just about ready to die. So I quickly snapped the picture. This is NOT how I typically have it mounted, but it gives you an idea of what im talking about. The scope initially was mounted directly onto the flat top w/ the rear site removed. Nothing out of the ordinary... just a scoped AR . Again it was shooting WAY to high.. so I mounted on a 1" riser. I did not want to remove the Rear site for the picture... so I just mounted the riser in front of it for sake of a picture.

So nothing special or funky going on... just that the im getting shots way HIGH off target. Im assuming that C.G.'s suggestion is what needs to be done

[xenophobe]

You need a stock with a cheekpeice... the sight plane is too high, and you won't get an accurate zero, especially with a scope that does have some parallax issues.

Decent scope, but definitely one that needs a constant cheekweld.

[Nefarious]

You need a stock with a cheekpeice... the sight plane is too high, and you won't get an accurate zero, especially with a scope that does have some parallax issues.

Decent scope, but definitely one that needs a constant cheekweld.

Im so confused LMAO.
A cheekpiece to simply raise my eye level? Wouldnt that be the same as temporarily raising my head somewhat from the stock when aiming? Or is it more complex than that? Maybe resting on the cheekpiece puts the head in the correct tilt/angle for viewing through the scope?

Im assuming if I had more experience with a scope I could get away without a cheekpiece, at least temporarily to at least HIT my target

[Pthfndr]

Does it shoot high when using the iron sights?

[Nefarious]

Does it shoot high when using the iron sights?

Nope not at all. Using the IRONS I can hit my target no problem. Took it out to Delzura range.. all 10 rounds on target at 50 yards. Its like the crosshairs on the scope are just set too low. Im trying to go over in my head how raising my head with a cheekpiece is going to fix that HAHAH.. it just seems like im not going to be able to look through the eyepeice correctly -

[Mute]

Parallax can be fixed either by a parallax adjustment on the scope or a consistent cheeckweld in the correct position so that their isn't any parallax error when looking through the scope. Lifting your head up instead of getting a consistent point to look through the scope combined with a scope that can't adjust for parallax will cause inconsistent point of aim and therefore inconsistent point of impact.

Take a look at these two articles, one on mechanical zero and one on parallax. It should give you an idea of what you need to do to get your scope zeroed.

- Mechanical Zero
- Parallax Explained

Hope this helps.

[bwiese]

OK, I assume your scope has an instruction manual?
Doesn't it cover zeroing?

These scopes appear to adjust somewhat like IOR Valdadas and some other east bloc scopes.

The external knobs you have are to adjust for variable conditions after zeroing - for windage correction, and range adjustment. These external knobs are not used for zeroing themselves.

To zero, the external windage & elevation knobs should be both set to zero.
Then, the two screws -but not the center screw - on each know are loosened somewhat (but *not* removed!!!*) Then, the outside disk is moved to adjust the offset to bring the windage or elevation so that you're on bullseye. Then the screws are tightened down again firmly.

Adjust each one separately - don't try to do both at the same time.

What I have told you is an approximation of what you need to do. You really need to read your scope manual since some of the screw-loosening procedure may differ a bit, nor do I know which direction corrects which way - clockwise = left? up? who knows without exploring?).

The interal zeroing adjustments may give you more range of adjustment than the external windage/elevation correction knobs.

Use a standard distance - likely 100 meters, not 100 yards but the latter wil get you zeroed decently enough - to test and setup your zero. IF YOUR MANUAL SAYS TO USE A DIFFERENT ZEROING RANGE, THEN USE WHAT THEY SPECIFY. Otherwise, if you have a bullet-drop compensator (I dunno if your scope has it or not) it may not be set up properly.

Also if you have a bullet drop compensator it's specified for only one type of load (velocity & bullet weight/profile).

[C.G.]

This is the Belomo POSP 4-8x42 WD w/ Laser - the weaver mounted model. Wes @ tenpercentfirearms has them in stock

Definately very strong, looks like it can take a beating and keep on ticking

Mine looked strong - wasn't, at least the weaver mount. Hopefully, they beefed it up from the 8x42W that I have.