Anyone here have a ghost gunner CNC machine? And legal opinions

[twentyeggs]

Hey guys. I just found out about the CNC machine called the ghost gunner. It sounds like a fantastic idea. I was just wondering if anyone here has one and if they could shed some light on how well it works. Which guns currently have reliable free sourced code?

I am currently doing some looking around on how well it works, and if I continue seeing what I've read about it so far I would like to buy one and then sell it after I'm done using it.

I know the laws are getting ready to change... again... but If I can find one that is used, buy it (providing myself with proof of sale) it becomes my tool and I comply with the law. When I'm done using it, I'll sell it for the same price or possibly a hundred or so less, maybe even back to the person if they want to make a quick buck off me and sell it again to someone else for the original asking price. Even with my intention to only have it for a little while, If I legally buy and sell this machine the Gov can kick rocks! No different than buying and selling a drill! Renting is using another person's property without ever becoming the owner. I will be purchasing the machine and I will own it while I am using it. I will also be selling it as the machines owner. There is nothing in the ATF's wording that requires your tool be bought from a store and not from another person. It's about ownership.

I don't pretend to be a lawyer but as far as the legality of buying and selling anything, I am meeting the requirements the ATF set forth. Blatantly and in your face exploiting a loop hole, but a legal loop hole as of now. I expect somewhere in the future the at home manufacturing of firearms will no longer be legal. What a shame, but it seems the younger generations don't appreciate/understand the price of the freedom they don't deserve; willingly giving it up for the promise of safety. An empty promise at that. I'm 30 so young enough to watch as the left wing movement inflates and entirely shifts the power of the people over to the government. Maybe not long enough to watch tyranny come out from behind the curtain and announce itself, but long enough to see the people of my generation and millennials destroy a good country. I just want to be all set before it all goes to hell.

[Dvrjon]

It's less expensive to buy a router and a jig, but....

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Ghost-Gunner-3D-CNC-mill-/321778011395

http://www.armslist.com/posts/5958476/northern-ky-misc-for-sale-trade--ghost-gunner-gen-2-ar-cnc

[951temec]

It only does ar lowers

[Urban Legend]

The Ghost gunner machine is cool and I'd love to have one but in my opinion due to price it only makes sense for those who have no mechanical skills whatsoever and don't want to acquire any or for a person living in a place without a basement, back yard, or garage.

The Ghost gunners rarely come up for resale and when they do they don't sell quickly. Looks like one posted on armslist has been for sale since January. If you buy one and plan to resell it it might not sell for a very long time. 10+ months is a long time to recoup $1600. I have milled multiple 80% lowers and they are not hard at all to do. The first one will take a bit of time but once you do it the rest will be a breeze. You can get a good jig and router for less than $500, mill a few lowers and sell the jig and router afterword. Chances are a jig and router will sell much quicker then a Ghostgunner machine.

[spfabrication]

Buy a mill and make lot's of stuff.

[xxINKxx]

Ive done some research as I was interested when it came about. Apparently the owners of the company are real douche bags. Lots of broken promises about software downloads that never were released, and customer service is non existent.

The newest 80% arms jigs that recently came out are basically fool proof. And much cheaper.

[71MUSTY]

Ive done some research as I was interested when it came about. Apparently the owners of the company are real douche bags. Lots of broken promises about software downloads that never were released, and customer service is non existent.

The newest 80% arms jigs that recently came out are basically fool proof. And much cheaper.

Someone was just complaining about that same thing here last week or so. IIRC he bought one but can't use it because the software was bad, company promised an updated version, never came through and then stopped responding to him.

If you use search I'm pretty sure you can find it

[17+1]

Should be fine making them on a Bridgeport, that's what I used for mine.

LOTS of older dudes have manual mills in their garages. Just ask to borrow it for the afternoon and get them something nice in return.

[djmere]

i have one. the newest version does ARs, 1911's & polymer glocks

[Rusty_Shackleferd]

For the money of a ghost gunner, you can find a used mini mill that will do much more.

[951temec]

The Ghost gunner machine is cool and I'd love to have one but in my opinion due to price it only makes sense for those who have no mechanical skills whatsoever and don't want to acquire any or for a person living in a place without a basement, back yard, or garage.

The Ghost gunners rarely come up for resale and when they do they don't sell quickly. Looks like one posted on armslist has been for sale since January. If you buy one and plan to resell it it might not sell for a very long time. 10+ months is a long time to recoup $1600. I have milled multiple 80% lowers and they are not hard at all to do. The first one will take a bit of time but once you do it the rest will be a breeze. You can get a good jig and router for less than $500, mill a few lowers and sell the jig and router afterword. Chances are a jig and router will sell much quicker then a Ghostgunner machine.

Do you have tips on the trigger pocket? All the 80% lowers I've seen have the hole where the trigger protrudes an ugly mess

[jimbo74]

Do you have tips on the trigger pocket? All the 80% lowers I've seen have the hole where the trigger protrudes an ugly mess

have you done an 80% lower? I did one, and my trigger holes looks great. take your time, and go slow.... let the machine work, don't force it

sure it isn't a cnc mill, but it also wasn't the cost of 3 complete guns either....

[Maltese Falcon]

i have one. the newest version does ARs, 1911's & polymer glocks

Yep they good work.

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=1384308

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[Urban Legend]

Do you have tips on the trigger pocket? All the 80% lowers I've seen have the hole where the trigger protrudes an ugly mess

The jig, router, and endmill bit are the keys to a good cut. I have done multiple 80% lowers on a variety of jigs, even did one using only a drimmel. The 5D Tactical jig has been the best I have used so far. You have to use their end mill bit with their jig and it works great. My trigger pockets came out perfect!!! I would recommend their jig and endmill bit. There are plenty of 5D Tactical vids on YouTube. A few 80% lower venders are now selling the Easy Jig Gen2. It looks to be based on the 5D Tactical jig with a few upgrades. It looks like it will do a great job as well. Any decent compact router will do, preferably one with a metal shroud. The shroud is going to bear a lot of force and stress as you move the router around milling out the trigger pocket. I use a Makita Router from Home Depot on the lowest speed and get great results. It cost about $100, however I think there are better routers out there for a few dollars less. I also have a cheep 8inch Drill Press from Harbor Freight but any good hand drill will do just fine for the safety and trigger pin holes.

If the hole where the trigger comes through is out of alignment or an ugly mess chances are the lower was milled mostly with a hand drill or drill press. Use the drill for the safety and trigger pin holes only. Use a good jig and router for the trigger pocket and trigger hole and your finished work will look professional.

Buy loweres made from the softer 6061 aluminum. They are easyer and quicker to mill. They are also easier on your end mill bit. Chances are there is nothing you are going to do with the firearm that justifies using the stronger 7075 aluminum. If polymer lowers function and hold up to basic usage 6061 aluminum will do fine. If you already have 7075 lowers thats fine, it will just take a little lnger to mill them.

[csshih]

I don't trust the GG enough to do the hammer/trigger/safety pin holes, I use a 80% jig for that.