CA compliance stock. PRS??

[GuillermoAntonio]

I am working on a 20" barrel PA-10 (7.62*51).
My last item before test firing it is the stock. Can't seem to find a stock I really like (and will fit) other than the PRS http://www.brownells.com/rifle-parts...prod72288.aspx

I could be wrong but I think I saw some discussion somewhere about it not being a "collapsible stock" ?
Does anyone here have some good info on that subject?

How about pinning it? Has anyone tried it?

Thanks

[Scratch705]

half will say the PRS is good to go

half will say the PRS needs to be pinned.

Up to you to decide.

[Chaos47]

Yes it's highly debated and there are dozens of threads on the topic.

The legal term in CA is "(C) A folding or telescoping stock."
That's all we know for sure. As "telescoping" is not defined in the law.


IMO the PRS does telescope even if its just an adjustment length. Others disagree.
Scratch705 has it right though; ultimately its up to you to decide your level of risk.


Edit to add: Interesting that Brownells lists it as "COLLAPSIBLE"..

[GuillermoAntonio]

Yes it's highly debated and there are dozens of threads on the topic.

The legal term in CA is "(C) A folding or telescoping stock."
That's all we know for sure. As "telescoping" is not defined in the law.


IMO the PRS does telescope even if its just an adjustment length. Others disagree.
Scratch705 has it right though; ultimately its up to you to decide your level of risk.


Edit to add: Interesting that Brownells lists it as "COLLAPSIBLE".. not that it really means anything but it sure doesn't help.

ARGHHHH.

Thanks for the info. Not sure about risking being the "example case" if something goes wrong.

Has anyone pinned it?

I was looking at it and tought I could maybe remove the rubber buttplate and drill a screw (with the butt closed) to attach to the rest of the stock, but then will a screw comply as in "permanently installed" ??

[AGFNTB]

Luth Ar makes the MBA-1 Rifle Buttstock that they define as a "fixed stock". I have one on my bolt action and like it. It has adjustable LOP and cheek rest height, but is not collapsible or telescoping.

[HK Dave]

The PRS is a collapsable or telescoping stock. You're fine.

[Xanthippus]

A lot of disinformation around here.

From the DOJ site itself:

Generic Characteristics Defining Assault Weapons:
12276.1 (a) Notwithstanding Penal Code section 12276, “assault weapon” shall also mean the following: Rifles
(1)
A semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that has the capacity to accept a detachable magazine and any one of the following:
(A)
A pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon.
(B)
A thumbhole stock.
(C)
A folding or telescoping stock.
(D)
A grenade launcher or flare launcher.
(E)
A flash suppressor.
(F)
A forward pistol grip.
(2)
A semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that has a fixed magazine with the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds.
(3)
A semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that has an overall length of less than 30 inches.
Note: Bayonets and bayonet lugs are not assault weapon characteristics under California law.

While "telescoping" itself is not further defined, what is obvious to some isn't so for others. A folding stock is an "assault weapon" feature because it shortens the overall length, in most cases, of the rifle below the mandated 30". A telescoping stock is a stock that is not fixed which can be adjusted for length of pull. Again, obvious to some, not so obvious to others. Some on here will push the issue and argue that "telescoping" is so ill-defined, that "collapsible" and "telescoping" are, in fact, not synonyms. I seriously beg to differ, but leaving the decision in the hands of the courts with an impending felony on your record isn't a risk I'm willing to take.

[SUBSONIC]

If I recall correctly, basically CA law says a "rifle" that can no longer be shot from the shoulder(ie remanufactured) Is what ? It is no longer a rifle, please look up CA defitition of a "pistol and rifle" see if I am still correct in my belief, it has been a while since I did....

An AR style adjustable/expandable buttstock, is always a buttstock weather it is a short one or a long one, it can always still be shot from a person's shoulder, right? The other types can not(ie, AK, Uzi,HK, etc)....

Also, then why is a ''brace" legal on a pistol ? Because it is not a butstock and it is not shot from the shoulder correct?

That being said, don't risk being the "example case" if something goes wrong.

[SloChicken]

logic, and the intent of the law is to dissuade the rifle from being collapsible, ergo concealable.

The PRS does not do that.
It would be fairly easy to show this stock is made to fit LOP, and not to collapse for concealment, fit into smaller areas, which is the intent of the law.

However, some DAs, cops, and Judges are dicks, and that is the chance you take.

However, in a strange twist of fate The CA DOJ Firearms Div. loosened the reins regarding incidental shouldering of pistols via arm braces.

This recent legislation threatens to show that the DOJ actually may have a brain.
I am sure the individuals do, no offense to them. But the machine, and blind people like Harris, Pelosi, DeLiar, Feinkenstein, and the rest are at the wheel, and until they die off, or are deported (DeLeon ???) we are kind of in a fix.

A dream of mine, would be able to be able to enjoy my firearms, sporting, defense, or hunting, and still be able to surf windansea.

Is it really too much to ask ???

[SloChicken]

PS the stock is a heavy POS. I hope you don't feel like carrying the rifle much. It is a good 2 pounds.

I have a FAL one for sale, but nobody will buy it.
I don't blame them. I hate it.

It is great if you don't have more than 15 feet to your shooting bench. Otherwise you may as well bring your Russian weightlifter wife and have her carry it comrade.

LOL,

seriously, it works well, but wtf with the weight ???

Magpul?

U listenin?

[SloChicken]

ARGHHHH.

Thanks for the info. Not sure about risking being the "example case" if something goes wrong. ...

I wouldn't worry about that.
I can't imagine that it is going to go on any sort of HD/SD/Combat rifle.

So put it on a bullet buttoned rifle, enjoy the nice LOP and cheek weld, both of which it has (Cheek weld being marginal, + points for up/down adjustability).

It isn't like you will be putting it on a nimble rifle.

[SloChicken]

Luth Ar makes the MBA-1 Rifle Buttstock that they define as a "fixed stock". I have one on my bolt action and like it. It has adjustable LOP and cheek rest height, but is not collapsible or telescoping.

I haven't even used or even put hands on one of these, but I would get one of them over a PRS2 any day, all day, even on Sunday (after church).

they are
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Ain' got no alibi.

At least they are (seemingly) lighter than that pig of a PRS2

Did I mention they are the fattest skinnny stock I have ever seen ???

[Scratch705]

PS the stock is a heavy POS. I hope you don't feel like carrying the rifle much. It is a good 2 pounds.

I have a FAL one for sale, but nobody will buy it.
I don't blame them. I hate it.

It is great if you don't have more than 15 feet to your shooting bench. Otherwise you may as well bring your Russian weightlifter wife and have her carry it comrade.

LOL,

seriously, it works well, but wtf with the weight ???

Magpul?

U listenin?

they made it heavy to offset the weight on the front end that is usually associated with rifles that would benefit from the PRS stock. pretty much heavy barreled +18 inch barrels with bipod and big scope and muzzle device.

but a lightweight buttstock on something like that and it will be so nose heavy that the balance would be off and the rifle would feel even worse to carry.