AR BB question

[pat4wd]

thanks for the input guys

[breakwater]

.

You would still need the BB to have a fixed magazine.

[pat4wd]

You would still need the BB to have a fixed magazine.

Yes, I understand.. what I am getting at is if the BB makes the gun legal as a fixed mag gun, but you can't remove the mag then the BB would not be legal.. You would have to have a welded reciever or something.. it is legal to remove mag with tool, it is legal to have a mag not in the gun at all times

[Josh3239]

Do you have to keep the mag in at all times even with a BB.. Seems like that is BS since you can pull it with tool to change mags.. Just trying to squish FUD.. thanks

No, the older mag locks kit and the Prince 50's must keep a mag in at all times. Newer magazine locks that are basically built around the bullet button design may have their magazines dropped.

Keep a 10 round mag in it at all times.

Wrong.

Sounds better.. A Bullet button would be worthless if that was the case

Exactly! Why have something that can only drop a mag with a tool? That would be useless both in California and in a free state. However, it IS legal in California, which is the whole point of creating the bulllet button.

Without any magazine in the mag well, is it considered a fixed magazine?

The codified definition of a fixed magazine is a magazine that cannot be removed from the rifle without the use of a tool. If your bullet button locked rifle has a magazine removed, is the lock still engaged? Yes, even if there is no magazine in it. And that is the difference between the Prince 50 and the Bullet Button. The Prince50, would involve unlocking the lock, removing the magazine and re-engaging the lock. This is illegal. A bullet button is only unlocked when you are using a tool and using that tool to release the spring pressure. Because you are either using a tool to unlock it or the lock is engaged, the BB is legal.

Yes, I understand.. what I am getting at is if the BB makes the gun legal as a fixed mag gun, but you can't remove the mag then the BB would not be legal.. You would have to have a welded reciever or something.. it is legal to remove mag with tool, it is legal to have a mag not in the gun at all times

I sure hope you guys are learning these laws before you actually own these.

As I wrote below, fixed magazine is a codified term. A magazine always in the rifle does not meet the definition of a fixed magazine. A magazine out of the rifle or an open magwell does not "conflict" with the fixed magazine definition. Yes, you can remove the magazine on a bullet button legally.

[jlb]

^^^ (above)

I always like a good, well organized and concise response to numerous aspects of a post

well done

[parcours]

Josh, I also was uninformed as to the meaning of the law regarding the BB/Prince50.

It was with the help of folks like yourself that explained the codified terms, and going back re-reading the definition of an AW clearly spelled out what actions the definitions create.

Legalese is sometimes difficult to put into intent. Reading and re-reading the definitions, applying the intent of what BB does and how it works clarifies it.

No, the older mag locks kit and the Prince 50's must keep a mag in at all times. Newer magazine locks that are basically built around the bullet button design may have their magazines dropped.



Wrong.



Exactly! Why have something that can only drop a mag with a tool? That would be useless both in California and in a free state. However, it IS legal in California, which is the whole point of creating the bulllet button.



The codified definition of a fixed magazine is a magazine that cannot be removed from the rifle without the use of a tool. If your bullet button locked rifle has a magazine removed, is the lock still engaged? Yes, even if there is no magazine in it. And that is the difference between the Prince 50 and the Bullet Button. The Prince50, would involve unlocking the lock, removing the magazine and re-engaging the lock. This is illegal. A bullet button is only unlocked when you are using a tool and using that tool to release the spring pressure. Because you are either using a tool to unlock it or the lock is engaged, the BB is legal.



I sure hope you guys are learning these laws before you actually own these.

As I wrote below, fixed magazine is a codified term. A magazine always in the rifle does not meet the definition of a fixed magazine. A magazine out of the rifle or an open magwell does not "conflict" with the fixed magazine definition. Yes, you can remove the magazine on a bullet button legally.

[pat4wd]

Josh, I also was uninformed as to the meaning of the law regarding the BB/Prince50.

It was with the help of folks like yourself that explained the codified terms, and going back re-reading the definition of an AW clearly spelled out what actions the definitions create.

Legalese is sometimes difficult to put into intent. Reading and re-reading the definitions, applying the intent of what BB does and how it works clarifies it.

ieeeieeeieeeeieeeieeeieeeeieeee cheetos