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  • RileyS90
    Junior Member
    • Mar 2017
    • 6

    Moving to CA, a Few Questions to Make Sure I Have it Covered

    Well, I'm finally making the move to CA (my GF works in CA and we've decided it makes more sense for me to move there than her to move back east)

    Obviously the laws are going to be a little different (a little, yeah right) but that's not keeping me from taking my favorite boomsticks with me.

    Thanks to the forum resources here, it did make quick work of figuring out what was legal or not, and that's a huge asset to have with ensuring I'm in compliance.

    So far, it seems as if I'll have to leave my 30rd mags out of state, which is fine. I've ordered some USGI mags that have had 10rd blocks installed and riveted floorplates. Since I don't anticipate living in CA indefinitely, I can either sell them in CA when I leave, or as I understand it, convert them to original capacity by removing the rivet, disassembling and reassembling them. (Done when I move back to a 'free state' of course, or just buy new 30rd'ers, they grow on trees afterall) From the research I've done, the rivet seems to satisfy the 'permanently modified' portion of the law regarding standard capacity mags. (Feel free to correct me on anything in my post if I'm unaware of some things)

    Also, I've purchased 2 AR Maglocks, which I also understand keeps me in compliance with even the new bullet button regs. (Which are also currently being revised? DOJ website is still not updated)

    As I understand it as well, I have 60 days within my arrival to CA to get all firearms registered/reported. Are there any other requirements I'm missing, provided I possessed them all when I cross the state line? (I'm aware of other requirements for purchasing new firearms, just making sure they don't apply to currently owned guns)

    Here's where my questions start, and I'll just list them off:

    1. Can I still possess my regular AR mag releases UNASSEMBLED AND REMOVED FROM MY AR'S? I won't have a featureless build or .22 upper with me, so I'm not trying to play the 'but I have something else and its just parts for that' game. I've done a little research and found so far, that constructive intent, as it applies to CA state laws on AW's aren't really a thing. Now, my intent to have the regular mag releases on hand is to keep the ability to have drop free mags if, for instance, I travel out of state to shoot, in a more gun friendly location. This also means that the AR mag lock does not have to be 'permanently' installed, correct?

    2. If my rifles are assembled with an AR maglock, they can have any and all "Features"? I have one upper that sports a BCM brake (to bring the 14.5" bbl to 16", and yes that brake is permanently installed, regardless of my state of residency, the NFA will always apply) and another that has a Surefire FH 556. Both rifles are on lowers that have a pistol grip and collapsible stock. Everything I've read says yes, just wanting to make sure that say, the suppressor teeth on the surefire device won't bite me in the #$@.

    3. Bonus Question: I'm also bringing two S&W M&P 9's with me, and obviously I only own 17rd mags. I've purchased mag block inserts for those mags but I'm concerned about the "permanently installed" details. The mag block attaches inside the mag to the floorplate on the bottom (the spring loaded portion that retains the baseplate) I was thinking that installing the magblock permanently to the floorplate with epoxy (which has been considered a 'permanent' material) constitutes a permanently modified magazine, as the magblock would then have to be either forcibly removed by say, sawing it off, or the floorplate part replaced. (which, again, as I understand the law, any part of a standard capacity magazine constitutes a construction kit, and is illegal)

    In short, at that point the magazine could not be rendered to hold more than 10rds except by destroying an internal part, or by replacing it with a completely seperate piece. OR am I just safer to epoxy the baseplate hole in the floorplate too? (Hate to do this, since I want to be able to clean the mags when I can) ***Feel free to disregard this question since this forum is for rifles, just asking to get a quick answer here in one place**

    I also have a PVS 14, IR lasers on the AR's, as well as a plate carrier with ceramic plates as well, but again, everything I've read says I'm GTG with that (provided I keep the PVS14 on my ACH, not the guns) But correct me if I'm wrong on ANYTHING. I just want to make sure I'm doing this right.
  • #2
    Librarian
    Admin and Poltergeist
    CGN Contributor - Lifetime
    • Oct 2005
    • 44627

    1) yes

    2) the AR Maglock is supposed to equip your rifle with a 'fixed' magazine. Since lack of a fixed mag is the 'aw' condition, you should be able to have the other 'features'.

    3) nobody really knows what 'permanent' means in this context. OTOH, we don't get stories here about prosecutions for blocked mags being insufficiently permanent.

    Since the law is in place and unclear, there could be problems. Since I'm sure there are literally millions of magazines in state, the risk looks pretty small.
    ARCHIVED Calguns Foundation Wiki here: http://web.archive.org/web/201908310...itle=Main_Page

    Frozen in 2015, it is falling out of date and I can no longer edit the content. But much of it is still good!

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    • #3
      BrocLuno
      Member
      • Sep 2010
      • 153

      What county? Each Sheriff is taking this somewhat differently? If moving to SoCal will you be shooting in the desert? If NorCal, will you be going to Natl Forest?

      Almost any local range will have many folks doing things that will get them looked at. Most shooters do not hang out here. Most don't learn the rules, except the hard way ...

      You do know that non-lead ammo is coming?

      I'd buy at least one Cali mag for each of the pistols and keep the others out of sight for a while...

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      • #4
        Quiet
        retired Goon
        • Mar 2007
        • 30241

        Originally posted by RileyS90
        3. Bonus Question: I'm also bringing two S&W M&P 9's with me, and obviously I only own 17rd mags. I've purchased mag block inserts for those mags but I'm concerned about the "permanently installed" details. The mag block attaches inside the mag to the floorplate on the bottom (the spring loaded portion that retains the baseplate) I was thinking that installing the magblock permanently to the floorplate with epoxy (which has been considered a 'permanent' material) constitutes a permanently modified magazine, as the magblock would then have to be either forcibly removed by say, sawing it off, or the floorplate part replaced. (which, again, as I understand the law, any part of a standard capacity magazine constitutes a construction kit, and is illegal)

        In short, at that point the magazine could not be rendered to hold more than 10rds except by destroying an internal part, or by replacing it with a completely seperate piece. OR am I just safer to epoxy the baseplate hole in the floorplate too? (Hate to do this, since I want to be able to clean the mags when I can) ***Feel free to disregard this question since this forum is for rifles, just asking to get a quick answer here in one place**
        S&W, Mec-Gar, and Pro-Mag make factory 10 round magazines for the M&P9 series.
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        • #5
          sigstroker
          I need a LIFE!!
          • Jan 2009
          • 19116

          He can import an AW after 12/31/16?

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          • #6
            Cokebottle
            Seņor Member
            CGN Contributor - Lifetime
            • Oct 2009
            • 32373

            Originally posted by sigstroker
            He can import an AW after 12/31/16?
            No.

            But a maglocked AR is not an AW (yet)
            - Rich

            Originally posted by dantodd
            A just government will not be overthrown by force or violence because the people have no incentive to overthrow a just government. If a small minority of people attempt such an insurrection to grab power and enslave the people, the RKBA of the whole is our insurance against their success.

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            • #7
              Quiet
              retired Goon
              • Mar 2007
              • 30241

              Originally posted by Cokebottle
              But a maglocked AR is not an AW (yet)
              Starting 01-01-2017, an AR style semi-auto centerfire rifle with a "bullet button" style maglock is an assault weapon. [PC 30515(a)(1)]

              Which makes it illegal to import, make, transport, or transfer in CA. [PC 30600(a)]

              There is currently an exemption for possessing, if you owned it in CA prior to 2017, and that exemption is only valid until 01-01-2018. [PC 30680]
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              • #8
                Cokebottle
                Seņor Member
                CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                • Oct 2009
                • 32373

                Originally posted by Quiet
                Starting 01-01-2017, an AR style semi-auto centerfire rifle with a "bullet button" style maglock is an assault weapon. [PC 30515(a)(1)]
                I was referring to the 2017-design maglocks.
                - Rich

                Originally posted by dantodd
                A just government will not be overthrown by force or violence because the people have no incentive to overthrow a just government. If a small minority of people attempt such an insurrection to grab power and enslave the people, the RKBA of the whole is our insurance against their success.

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                • #9
                  ILYSB
                  Member
                  • Oct 2016
                  • 168

                  Originally posted by RileyS90
                  Well, I'm finally making the move to CA (my GF works in CA and we've decided it makes more sense for me to move there than her to move back east)
                  Biggest mistake of your life.

                  As someone who did same thing 28 years ago, and am stuck here due to "golden handcuffs"... You'll be wasting your life here.

                  You have been warned.
                  Last edited by ILYSB; 03-17-2017, 10:20 PM.

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                  • #10
                    Cokebottle
                    Seņor Member
                    CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                    • Oct 2009
                    • 32373

                    Originally posted by ILYSB
                    Biggest mistake of your life.

                    As someone who did same thing 28 years ago. You'll be wasting your life here.

                    You have been warned.
                    Ditto.

                    I made the mistake of looking at my average speed on the way home this week.

                    43 miles.
                    17mph.

                    It's been that way every flipping day this week.

                    I talked to a guy at Home Depot yesterday who lived in Manhattan and retired... moved here.
                    Brought his daughter out and bought her a brand new car.

                    Daughter left... car is for sale.
                    House is for sale too... he's leaving as soon as it sells.
                    - Rich

                    Originally posted by dantodd
                    A just government will not be overthrown by force or violence because the people have no incentive to overthrow a just government. If a small minority of people attempt such an insurrection to grab power and enslave the people, the RKBA of the whole is our insurance against their success.

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                    • #11
                      Quiet
                      retired Goon
                      • Mar 2007
                      • 30241

                      Originally posted by Cokebottle
                      I was referring to the 2017-design maglocks.
                      Copy that.
                      Thought you meant "bullet button" style maglock. My bad.


                      FYI.
                      The hinge-open style magazine locks for AR patterned firearms were originally designed in 2013 and were commercially available in 2014.
                      The ARMagLock was initially sold in the NY and CT markets. Last year, they started to market for CA.
                      This prompted other companies to design, make, and sell similar type maglocks.
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