Why Don't you just buy a Mini 14/30?

[W.R.Buchanan]

Until someone 'gift' wraps their pistol grip. Why Do Humans Have Thumbs?

To the OP, did you really expect a different reaction?!?

Well no I already knew there were many "Mini 14 Experts" here that would pound it down in comparison to the AR platform, but the point I was trying to make is that it is a viable alternative to the AR that "we in CA can't buy now!

Mini's are for sale in every gun shop. The accuracy is not that bad or so bad that the gun is not effective for the intended purposes of shooting people or small game.

However the result was a bunch of AR guys who live in other states that can buy these guns talking about how the Mini 14 is a POS and not even usable as a Golf Club, and that their AR's are even better Golf Clubs.

On another subject. one guy said,,, I suggest you attend a 4 day class or a 3-gun competition and honestly tell me afterward you could change Mini mags as fast and easy as an AR.

I do, and have done, and I told you that earlier.

Here's mine where's your's?

Randy

[W.R.Buchanan]

Who's talking a $2700 AR? Sans optics every one of my ARs has cost me significantly less than either a new or used mini to put together. They actually ran about the same cost as my SU16CA which I'll hold up as an actual real AR alternative due to its folding ability, stanag mag compatibility, and lightweight...

...attributes the mini doesn't have.

So you're saying your Economy AR is a better club than his $2700 AR or my Mini 14?

What are you saying exactly? I'm Cornfused:

Randy

[Simonsez]

I recently got a 583 & concur with W.R.B. I also have an AR10 made featureless that I may like better due to a more angled grip that feels way more normal to shoot. If one wants a short-barreled gun to storm a house with he should be able to have it. But for a rifle to stick in closet or a trunk for plinking or self defense the Mini is quite rugged & could serve as a club at last resort. Your choice. Your money. I just don't like elected no- nothings telling me what I can own when they carry out legal theft everyday & push identity politics.

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[blackrat]

So you're saying your Economy AR is a better club than his $2700 AR or my Mini 14?

What are you saying exactly? I'm Cornfused:

Randy

Having a bunch of wood stocked rifles myself I'll definitely take a mini if it comes to club or buttstroking duty.

[steelcore]

A refreshingly respectful and appropriate response...

Here's why I won't buy a Mini 14/30:

Cost and familiarity primarily, and accuracy per dollar. (NOT accuracy overall)

I've recently debated purchasing a Garand or Mini 14. Garand has no restriction of detachable magazine rifles, and it's just classic. Mini 14 would be more of a fun plinker. Accuracy wouldn't bother me. No one will be defending their house by shooting people 100 yards away, so it really doesn't matter. I would get it for fun if I had money for another rifle right now.

As a former Marine, the M16A2 and M16A4 are my security blankets. My AR build started with $130 or so. Finished a A2 HBAR style under $700 in less than a month with the intention of shooting competition. Entry price makes it very easy to not feel the sting of $500+ out of your pocket at once, all the while providing the satisfaction putting something together the way you want.

[Crazed_SS]

I have been here off and on for years but only started posting a month or so ago.

I see all these cockamamie modifications to AR's All of which completely render the guns annoying at best, or nearly useless at their worst.

The new laws are obviously made to make more hoops for you to jump thru so you would eventually give up and just disarm yourself.

Well how about a Mini 14 or 30? These guns have been around for decades and have been proven to be reliable platforms for Self Defense, Police Work and some Smaller Armies.

I have had mine for about 12 years and it is a 580 series which was the first of the redesigned models 583 Series being the current offerings. Ruger currently makes 17 different models of these guns, many of which are perfectly legal in CA as they come, and several others by simply removing the Flash Hider and replacing the magazine with a 10 round version.

Most people who don't understand these guns and have succumbed to the internet BS about how they are not accurate enough Blah Blah Blah.

First: the newest guns are by far the best ever made and will usually deliver sub 2MOA accuracy with decent ammo. (NOT Russian swill.).

Second with decent ammo even the worst ones are easily 3 MOA guns. With a Red Dot Sight attached you won't be able to shoot any better anyway. Also 3 MOA is considered Excellent Battlefield accuracy anyway. 3MOA is 9" at 300 yards which is the effective limit for the 5.56 cartridge and still a viable weapon for either Defensive or Offensive use. Probably not that great a varmint rifle but the gun was designed to be a replacement for the M1 Carbine and is far superior to that gun in virtually every way.

For shooting games which don't require sub MOA accuracy they are as viable as any AR made, and they are much easier to run.

So I ask why not stop hemorrhaging over making your AR CA compliant, and just take the bolt out and store it in the safe,,, and go out and have fun with a Mini14. There is no need to get worked up about all this BS. it won't stand.

Randy

Way ahead of you man...


Now I do know what people want ARs because I have 5 of them lol

But i think for the type of shooting that 90% of california gun owners do, the mini-14 and m1a fill the need nicely.

I think the fact that they're not operator-grade tactical stuff turns people off, even if they could arguably serve most shooters' use case better than a gimped AR.

[71MUSTY]

I'll stick with my PC-4

[81turbota]

M1 Garand FTW.

[donnrcp]

OMG this was SAVAGE!!! BRUTAL!!!

Yes, that's right, I saw it on the internet. Someone wrote something about being >60 yrs old and having to own a mini. What do I have to buy at 70?
Don't say depends.

[AO3]

I love my Mini 14s.

[CouchOperator]

Yes, that's right, I saw it on the internet. Someone wrote something about being >60 yrs old and having to own a mini. What do I have to buy at 70?
Don't say depends.

M1A

[BrocLuno]

I think it's about comfort. Some feel more comfortable with a pistol grip, some with a rifle wrist... You will not sway one group from the other. Comfort is like a food smell or something, it's subliminal.

As a kid that grew up in the country shooting traditional rifles, I was taken back when they handed me an M16 in the Army. Took days to get used to it. It felt ungainly and I could not carry it like a rifle at the mid-point cause that magazine was in the way. No body used the "handle" or the wrath of your DS would come down on you. They did not have three point slings like now. But eventually I got used to it.

After service, I wanted my old issue number 113 rifle back. Was never going to happen. I could never afford a black market select fire Hydramatic Div rifle... Good thing, as there is nowhere to shoot one in public ... And if you were caught, you'd be a felon.

So I made do with my traditional riffles and never looked back. But, with all these crazy laws and regs, I have now decided to play. So I'm building a full featured poly lower AR in 22WMR which is exempt for now

Poly because all the 'Agencies' hate them including CA DOJ. And I don't need forged aluminum cause I'm not boosting my squad buds over walls with a two-man lift. It's lighter so I'm on the way to 6 lb rifle with cool stuff hanging off it

[s30]

I prefer my Ares SCR.

[Oneaudiopro]

I think the original intent of this post was to point out that the mini-14 in it's stock configuration has an incredible amount of firepower versus the CA compliant AR's in their bastardized versions which are not even close to their original design. I own both and will take my mini in a heartbeat.

[alexbochsr]

I think the original intent of this post was to point out that the mini-14 in it's stock configuration has an incredible amount of firepower versus the CA compliant AR's in their bastardized versions which are not even close to their original design. I own both and will take my mini in a heartbeat.

Not really OP also wanted to vent and take a dump on ARs. He says in his opening statement that he just started posting a month ago and basically says AR mods are annoying and useless. Whatever, OP can have his opinion. Mini lovers can continue to love on their minis. It's ok.


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