Why Don't you just buy a Mini 14/30?

[Xanthippus]

[Argonaut]

Ruger mini 30's have a well known reputation of being inaccurate. Takes a lot of work to make them shoot straight. I would look hard at a CZ mini bolt gun in 7.62X39


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[Oceanbob]

with the exception of the way the fling the brass.....I like mini's. But not $750 like. Not when I can and have built AR's for under $500.

This^^^^ well said....

I've had Mini 14s and Mini 30s for years.....maybe 6 or 7.

Sold them. Not a fan of the magazines at all.

These days a home built Featureless AR with a nice upper will shoot under 2 inches with little effort. And with less weight.

Be well

Bob.

[Blade Gunner]

Be done with the aurgument and get a Garand. If you can't hit with a Garand, it's too far away to harm you,

[W.R.Buchanan]

with the exception of the way the fling the brass.....I like mini's. But not $750 like. Not when I can and have built AR's for under $500.

but you can't have a Stock AR in CA any longer! That's the point here.

All I have seen from the naysayers on this thread is a bunch of misinformed BS. Nobody said the Mini was an AR, but I can assure you that if the Mini 14 had received as much taxpayer funded development as the AR platform had over the last 60 years,,, it would be just as accurate as any AR.

If you' haters actually knew what you were talking about it would be different but you don't and your posts show that ignorance. Your lack of understanding of the platform shows to anyone who does know it.

You say they sling brass too far. A $5 gas bushing fixes that. Mine has an adjustable gas piston which cost me $35 and Ruger doesn't do these mods because the gun has to run with ANY Ammo.

Accuracy of the new model 580-583 series rifles averages Sub 2 MOA. The gun was not designed to be a Target Rifle and neither was an AR/M4 and virtually none of the guns under about $1000 are going to shoot that well, so lets stop comparing Apples to Oranges.

The Manual of Arms for the Garand/M14/ Mini 14/30 is much simpler than for an AR. It as easy to load and unload as an AR, but it is much easier to clear malfunctions and far less likely to create them in the first place.

As far as pricing goes it is what it is and MSRP is between$1000 and 1100, but anyone who pays Full Pop for anything is a turd so that's not a valid complaint either. $750 to $800 is the street price from Retailers and if you actually know somebody you can get one for $650, which is about $25 over the dealer price.

If any of you haters would care to get educated on one of the most successful Semi Auto Rifle Platforms ever made you can go over to ,,,

http://www.perfectunion.com/vb/ruger-mini-14-mini-30/

and learn something about this gun and it's uses.

And I will reiterate my original point. YOU CAN"T HAVE AN AR NOW !

Time to find something else to play with.

Randy

[TurboChrisB]

And I will reiterate my original point. YOU CAN"T HAVE AN AR NOW !

Time to find something else to play with.

Well, that's certainly news to me. I didn't realize that a registered (as a assault weapon) AR wasn't an AR or even that a featureless AR wasn't an AR. Crap, what should I call them now?

[Bobby Ricigliano]

The OP's question can be answered easily. People prefer the AR-15 over the Mini-14 because it is scarier looking and makes more of a visual impact to non-gun house guests who you want to impress as an edgy, tough, faux-mad max prepper.

The Mini-14 does not photograph as well as an AR when posting faux-operator shots mugging into the camera for your Facebook Friends.

The Mini-14 is inaccurate, says the guy who uses Wolf ammo exclusively, plinks beer cans at 25 yards and does magdumps from the hip at dirt piles 25 yards away while yellling "GETSUM!!!"

The Mini-14 is not as easy to accessorize for the Barbie-rifle fans.

It is harder to find schwag items such as Molon Labe bumper stickers, Murica ballcaps, and cold dead hand t-shirts that feature Minis instead of AR-15's.

Mini-14's and magazines are too expensive, says the guy with an unzeroed ACOG on his DelTon upper / plastic lower frankenrifle.

[ChuckDizzle]

Mini 14= chevy
Ar15= ford
Some of us like chevys, some fords, some of us own both.
pros and cons for both

Not even close. There is not a single objective criteria in which the Mini 14 does better than the AR 15.

[ChuckDizzle]

but you can't have a Stock AR in CA any longer! That's the point here.

All I have seen from the naysayers on this thread is a bunch of misinformed BS. Nobody said the Mini was an AR, but I can assure you that if the Mini 14 had received as much taxpayer funded development as the AR platform had over the last 60 years,,, it would be just as accurate as any AR.

If you' haters actually knew what you were talking about it would be different but you don't and your posts show that ignorance. Your lack of understanding of the platform shows to anyone who does know it.

You say they sling brass too far. A $5 gas bushing fixes that. Mine has an adjustable gas piston which cost me $35 and Ruger doesn't do these mods because the gun has to run with ANY Ammo.

Accuracy of the new model 580-583 series rifles averages Sub 2 MOA. The gun was not designed to be a Target Rifle and neither was an AR/M4 and virtually none of the guns under about $1000 are going to shoot that well, so lets stop comparing Apples to Oranges.


Randy

I will give you $100 to prove that accuracy claim.

[porcupineballs]

I refuse to buy anything associated with ruger

[Bobby Ricigliano]

It is true that under identical conditions, an AR-15 is more accurate than a Mini-14.

It is equally true that a good portion of people spouting the above dogma do not possess the needed rifle marksmanship to be able to tell the difference. So the argument back and forth once again degrades into theory, conjecture, FUD, and hot air.

[k1dude]

There is so much disinformation in Buchanan's posts.

I own both and like both AR's and Mini's, but recognize and acknowledge the strengths and weaknesses of each. I also own and really like the Kel-Tec SU16CA. So I have all 3 and like all 3.

First, the Mini is NOT more accurate than an AR. I can slap together an AR and get 1 or 2 MOA without any special work. To get a Mini to shoot 1 MOA would require you to jump through all sorts of hoops and expense, and you still won't likely get there.

I can throw just about any mag at an AR and it'll be 100% reliable. Mini's are extremely picky about mags and malfunction easily if anything about the mag is even a little bit off.

I can swap mags in an instant with an AR. Mini's, not so much. The fumbling and rocking required is much worse than even an AK. And yes, I own and like AK's too.

The AR platform has a bajillion mods to configure your AR into just about anything you can think of. Mini's don't have but a tiny fraction of the mods available to them. 10/22 mods can't even come close to the mods available for the AR platform. And yes, I own and like 10/22's as well.

You can break an AR in half to store it in a tiny space or put it in a daypack. Try that with a Mini. I can also easily build a 3 to 4 pound AR. Try that with a Mini.

Just about the ONLY benefit to a Mini over an AR in this state is it's factory featureless configuration. But you can easily make your AR featureless as well. So that's really a wash.

Even though I'm a big fan of the Mini (But hate that ahole Bill Ruger), the AR is far superior.

And why would any freedom loving patriot bow to the whims of our overlords in Excremento? Own an AR for the simple reason of pissing Excremento off and giving them a big FU.

Because after they come for your AR, they'll be coming for your Mini next.

[onelonehorseman]

I won't be owning a Mini 14/30 unless the price is too low to pass up (so low I could easily resell it and make money on it).

With other rifles already filling that niche for me, and the price of the mini now exceeding its value, IMO, i just have no use for one.

[TMB 1]

Well, that's certainly news to me. I didn't realize that a registered (as a assault weapon) AR wasn't an AR or even that a featureless AR wasn't an AR. Crap, what should I call them now?

You wont be able to buy an AR and register it anymore.


You could call them the California Planet of the Apes AR or fixed mag AR now.

[G.F.C.]

For those who believe that the M1A is a great, reliable action that's virtually impossible to stop, I suggest you view the inrangetv sand test on a brand new M1A... It lasted less than 3 rounds before becoming hopelessly jammed. The AR is still the most impervious platform due to the lack of ingress points for mud, dirt, etc.

Every rifle has its problems, but the M1A is an outdated design that costs WAY too much for what it does. As others have said, if it was $500 I'd buy one today. But when used ones go for $800? Not a chance.