Flat Buffer springs worth it?

[etwinam]

I am trying to get rid of the twang of the GI buffer spring. Also I have been told the flat tubbs or strike industries last much longer, and help reduce bolt bounce. Things I greatly would appreciate.

Problem is I have an M4rgery setup. 16" barrel with carbine gas system. I am not sure if the new springs will cause even more recoil or increase cycle speed. I am usually trying to reduce recoil speed. I added a H1 buffer to slow down the cycle speed but it adds a little more heavier recoil. (I am not worried about the recoil of a 556 but I would like to have faster sight acquisition for rapid fire, think 3 gun setup, that's what I'm going for.).

Does anyone have any input on the performance of these springs? Will it work for only $20 or should I just invest in an adjustable gas block instead?

Thank in advance and have a great new 2017!!

[CouchOperator]

No. Bolt bounce is also a product of barrel thickness and buffer weight. Whats your gas port diameter?

Also a muzzle brake might be worth looking at. If you start messing with buffer weights on a reliable setup, you may induce unreliable cycling. A muzzle brake is independent of the ammo pressure, gas system, and buffer weight.

[etwinam]

No. Bolt bounce is also a product of barrel thickness and buffer weight. Whats your gas port diameter?

Also a muzzle brake might be worth looking at. If you start messing with buffer weights on a reliable setup, you may induce unreliable cycling. A muzzle brake is independent of the ammo pressure, gas system, and buffer weight.

Not sure my port width, it is a carbine length 16" red X arms fluted hbar 416R stainless Barrell. The barrels o far has been great.

I have a Fortis Rapid Engagement Device brake for 3gun. It's done me well also.

The cycle used to be extremely forcefully, that's why I went with the heavier buffer. It did help a lot but I'm hoping to get rid of the remaining extra energy.

The JP silent capture spring system looks nice but it's $150 .. I can just get an adjustable gas for less than that.

[CouchOperator]

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_12/584166_RED_X_ARMS_SS_FLUTED_BARRELS_JUNK.html

One poster reported a .093 gas port which is horrific; if yours is even near that, i would go for the adjustable gas block or replace the barrel altogether instead of mesing with the buffer system. While the buffer will help slow the carrier down, an overgassed rifle will still cause the bolt to unlock at an undesireable level of force. You need to reduce the force before the gas gets to the BCG, not after its already induced that force on the bcg


Ill elaborate a bit. A proper gas port is .063 for a 16" barrel. Some are as large as .07 and run ok. Thats sucking gas through that hole for about 9" of dwell time.

The mk18 due to its super short dwell time needs as much gas as possible to cycle, and its a .083 gas port sucking gas for about 3.3" of dwell time.

Yours is sucking gas through a possibly .093 gas port for 9" worth of dwell time, redneck science says thats about 3x longer than the mk18 in a hole roughly 11% larger

[etwinam]

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_12/58...RELS_JUNK.html

One poster reported a .093 gas port which is horrific; if yours is even near that, i would go for the adjustable gas block or replace the barrel altogether instead of mesing with the buffer system. While the buffer will help slow the carrier down, an overgassed rifle will still cause the bolt to unlock at an undesireable level of force. You need to reduce the force before the gas gets to the BCG, not after its already induced that force on the bcg


Ill elaborate a bit. A proper gas port is .063 for a 16" barrel. Some are as large as .07 and run ok. Thats sucking gas through that hole for about 9" of dwell time.

The mk18 due to its super short dwell time needs as much gas as possible to cycle, and its a .083 gas port sucking gas for about 3.3" of dwell time.

Yours is sucking gas through a possibly .093 gas port for 9" worth of dwell time, redneck science says thats about 3x longer than the mk18 in a hole roughly 11% larger

I actually read that review the other day. The review was from 2012 and I'm hoping red X arms stepped up thier game in the last 4-5 years. No way to really tell. I've never had any problems with ftf or stove piping etc. I will have to measure the gas port. Sound like if I sell the barrel and save the money on the adjustable gas valve I can just get another mid length barrel and call it a day.

Or break down and just buy an adjustable gas valve.

Thanks for the input.

[CouchOperator]

No problem. I sent them an email and inquired about the diameter of their ports. I'll update this with their response if i get one.

[etwinam]

No problem. I sent them an email and inquired about the diameter of their ports. I'll update this with their response if i get one.

Thanks I'll look forward to it. Have a great night

[CouchOperator]

Op. You're runnng a 16" carbine.
If bolt bounce is an issue, then you are running full auto...?
Maybe just hit the weights?
Not a fan of the captured springs.
Chrome silicon spring. LMT tube. H Buffer.

If you really want to shoot flat, you'll need a different rifle
Embrace your carbine.

Replacing the buffer components wont fix an overgassed rifle.

[CouchOperator]

The smallest port in any of my 16's is right at 0.060", and it's *really* soft-shooting, even with near-maximum 5.56 hand loads

That has nothing to do with the high probability that his is way too large. No one is talking or cares about your rifles in regard to this specific thread. Furthermore what does lifing weights have to do with literally anything here?

[CouchOperator]

I don't see anything about port size

Delete ?

Bolt bounce. ?

Your conversation is chopped. Maybe get a room?

Can't even read thru your posts. Carry on

Nothing? You dont see mention about any port sizes anywhere in this thread?


I think you should pay your tab and get a taxi

[CouchOperator]

Hit the weights also. P&L is calling

P&L?

[Rgarbarino]

If you want to lose the twang then pony up for the JP silent capture spring, best upgrade I've made.

[Blade Gunner]

Tried a Tubbs flat wire spring. No difference. It might last longer.

[lehn20]

Longer lasting

[CouchOperator]

Why does DeusExMachina always delete his posts? Lol