WILL THIS WORK? FIXED BUTTSTOCK PINNING

[jeffgs47]

I do apologize if this has been discussed.

I have a B5 Systems sopmod stock. I was wondering if you think this is good to go for a featureless build? I want to use a hex or any time of screw to make my stock fixed. If you think this isn't then I will use a rollpin instead. Any information will help!

Thank you!

[SkyHawk]

If it requires a tool to modify the stock position, it should be good to go.

[jeffgs47]

If it requires a tool to modify the stock position, it should be good to go.

Thank you!

[Kwikvette]

Removing the ability to collapse means you've removed said evil feature.

You have to remember though, this isn't approved at all by the CADOJ hence why there is no definition as to what is a "permanent" fix/etc. In fact, nothing is approved but instead there are restrictions only stating what we cannot have. Everything is a grey area and the only sure way would be to get a fixed stock.

If it were me though, I'd say that's good to go. I disassembled my B5 stock and drove a pin where the lock/spring is located making it "fixed". Now that it's all put together, there's no way to make it collapsible unless you disassemble it again.

[jeffgs47]

Removing the ability to collapse means you've removed said evil feature.

You have to remember though, this isn't approved at all by the CADOJ hence why there is no definition as to what is a "permanent" fix/etc. In fact, nothing is approved but instead there are restrictions only stating what we cannot have. Everything is a grey area and the only sure way would be to get a fixed stock.

If it were me though, I'd say that's good to go. I disassembled my B5 stock and drove a pin where the lock/spring is located making it "fixed". Now that it's all put together, there's no way to make it collapsible unless you disassemble it again.

Thank you for all the great info! I do have the fixed magpul moe stocks. But, just looking for more options.

[Cincinnatus]

So technically, for the purposes of this discussion, if I had a collapsible buttstock, I could just as easily run a length of wire through one or two points, twist them closed with safety wire twist pliers (https://www.amazon.com/BikeMaster-Sa...ck+Wire+Pliers), and be good-to-go. Since I had to use a tool to cut the wire and to pull it through and to secure it, that fits the definition and requirement, does it not?

The lengths the idiots in Sacto go to prove themselves to be dumb as a box of rocks is fascinating.

[Kwikvette]

So technically, for the purposes of this discussion, if I had a collapsible buttstock, I could just as easily run a length of wire through one or two points, twist them closed with safety wire twist pliers (https://www.amazon.com/BikeMaster-Sa...ck+Wire+Pliers), and be good-to-go. Since I had to use a tool to cut the wire and to pull it through and to secure it, that fits the definition and requirement, does it not?

The lengths the idiots in Sacto go to prove themselves to be dumb as a box of rocks is fascinating.

As I said, removing the evil feature is what's required however its not stated in what way this feature must be removed. For example; does the fix have to be permanent enough that if removed, it destroys said item? Or is it enough that as long as the buttstock doesn't collapse under brute strength, or after smashing a couple a couple of heads.

Who knows

There is no method approved by CADOJ; only grey area.

[Cincinnatus]

If the extension/retraction capability of the buttstock is the evil feature and thus eliminated, then it's no longer an extensible/retractable buttstock, therefore not evil.

CADOJ is looking for light at the end of the tunnel, kinda hard to do when there's a cranial-rectal inversion in process.

[Lucky Scott]

I used a rivet so that it is easily defined as 'Permanent"
You never know what someone will consider compliant. I wanted to remove any chance of someone thinking it is not a permanent fixed stock.

[DisgruntledReaper]

Right now the only thing any of us can do is read what is "evil" and how to remedy the issue according to how the law is written. If you make the stock unfoldable,non collapsing.,then according to the law as written you have satisfied the requirement. How far anyone decides to take the method is up to the individual at this point.

Same goes for the non pg issue..using a MMG or a grip both satisfy the requirement of not allowing the thumb to come around the back of the grip to make it a "pistol grip" ...just one wraps a piece around and is clamshelled around the existing grip,one replaces the factory or OEM grip. The Hammerhead(?) replaces with a funky rifle style stock and separate buffer tube..

What all of us need to do is STOP talking about workarounds with regards to what the RAW stipulations may be, can the bb be removed or not, etc..

Right now all we need to know is featureless means ..plain muzzle or muzzle brake, fixed stock and no pistol grip...and can use the normal mag release.

No no features are flash hider,grenade launcher,pistol grip,folding or telescopic stock,verticle forward grip, bayonet lug...

[Bainter1212]

Right now the only thing any of us can do is read what is "evil" and how to remedy the issue according to how the law is written. If you make the stock unfoldable,non collapsing.,then according to the law as written you have satisfied the requirement. How far anyone decides to take the method is up to the individual at this point.

Same goes for the non pg issue..using a MMG or a grip both satisfy the requirement of not allowing the thumb to come around the back of the grip to make it a "pistol grip" ...just one wraps a piece around and is clamshelled around the existing grip,one replaces the factory or OEM grip. The Hammerhead(?) replaces with a funky rifle style stock and separate buffer tube..

What all of us need to do is STOP talking about workarounds with regards to what the RAW stipulations may be, can the bb be removed or not, etc..

Right now all we need to know is featureless means ..plain muzzle or muzzle brake, fixed stock and no pistol grip...and can use the normal mag release.

No no features are flash hider,grenade launcher,pistol grip,folding or telescopic stock,verticle forward grip, bayonet lug...

Nothing in the law about bayo lugs. That is a relic of the Federal AWB and is long gone.
Please stop spreading this FUD.

Sorry, but I keep hearing this crap about bayo lugs all the time. Even my instructor at the last carbine course told me a bayo lug was illegal......I had to email him the flowchart when I got home that day so he wouldn't keep spreading that FUD.

[CenterX]

I'm adding a bayonet lug to all my modern rifles.

If it's a tool thing, then a Telescopic stock bullet button type device is an answer. Then again, twist lock replaceable stock lengths with custom church key activation tool.

[DisgruntledReaper]

Nothing in the law about bayo lugs. That is a relic of the Federal AWB and is long gone.
Please stop spreading this FUD.

Sorry, but I keep hearing this crap about bayo lugs all the time. Even my instructor at the last carbine course told me a bayo lug was illegal......I had to email him the flowchart when I got home that day so he wouldn't keep spreading that FUD.

JUST ADDING IT TO COVER ALL THE BASES OK.. FOR FK SAKE.... Better to list everything... I KNOW bayo lugs basically no longer count...until someone uses it for its intended purpose and OH SNAP!

Btw,I think you you need to stop nitpicking and just let it go.... Aaand all the AW bs we are being subjected to should be a relic and not matter....

[blackrat]

Isn't simply drilling and tapping a hole in the adjustment lever and threading in a set screw to keep it from being able to be actuated enough?

[Screehopper]

Isn't simply drilling and tapping a hole in the adjustment lever and threading in a set screw to keep it from being able to be actuated enough?

From another thread. Great idea. But many of us in the thread complained about the $30 price.

Just get this and forget all the drilling.

http://www.tenpercentfirearms.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=78&products_id=941