PSA KS47 kit, I have a legal question

[skyguynca]

Ok, If I purchase the PSA KS47 kit, then actually machine out my lower completely from billet stock, document the whole process to include a type of bullet button , get it all done prior to 1 Jan 2017, it is legal in california even though it has a pistol grip and a rifle stock and the total length is more than 30 inches and the barrel is atleast 16"?

If it is legal, how do you register it and get a serial number?

If it is legal I want to apply and make several lowers before the first of the year.

thanks for the assistance.

David M.
San Jose, CA

[Junkie]

I assume you're looking at using a BRS80 or similar lower.

Whether you made your own lower or not doesn't matter for AW stuff: you'll need a bullet button or featureless.

You'll need to stamp or engrave the manufacturer's info on it:

Your real name
Location (city, state)
model (make one up)
serial (make one up)
caliber

Sadly I'm not aware of a BB... I need to figure something out for my KS47 lower.

[skyguynca]

I have already figured out the BB, was not hard just a bit thicker trigger guard in the front.

What does "AW" refer to in your reply?

So how do you register it once you have built it?

David M.
San Jose, CA

[Junkie]

AW = Assault Weapon.

Just to make sure you know, you need a special upper and BCG. I hope you bought the KS47 kit that's currently $400 shipped.

If you want to use a conventional BB (rather than a fixed magazine that requires disassembly of the action to remove, or featureless), you need to complete the gun before the end of this year. You'll then mark it appropriately and register it as an AW on a web site DOJ is working on (supposed to be up Jan1).

I'd appreciate a picture of the BB you have. The KS47 has big wings on the mag release and they don't wanna sell me another... the shiny part just above the bottom of the trigger guard is what I speak of. I'd rather not hack up the only mag release I have, but don't know how else I'd do a BB. Then again I don't know how different yours is. I just realized... you did it from a billet rather than an 80%? I'm jealous of your machine shop.

[skyguynca]

yep I did it from billet. I will take a picture and post it for you.

You will have to make a new mag release lever, then a shroud to cover it that will only allow the end of the round to push the lever up.

so if the DOJ website is not up, how do we register it?

doesn't it have to be registered in CA too?

I don't want to get into trouble just to have them tell me I can never own a gun.

newbie here in the "too many rules state"

born, raised TX, 20 years combat arms MOS, Army

I would hate to be forced to give up my guns, oops should I say I would hate for someone to try and make me give up my guns.

David M.
San Jose, CA

[skyguynca]

I wish PSA would have sold me a lower, but they refused. That would have made life so easy, try getting the BB that IO uses on the M214 ioin1013 (have one, its ok) , it bolts to the trigger guard and will probably work, you will have to cut off the wings.

[skyguynca]

OH yeah, forgot to say, yes I got the $399.99 free shipping deal for today

[cortayack]

I got the BRS lower....They will ship their stripped lower to CA. In the process of building my rifle..

[skyguynca]

OK, I have been reading thru the flow chart for the California DOJ as it pertains to AW/rifles.

It seams the Palmetto State Armory kit PSA KS47, if you build it with a bullet button in the lower, it still classifies as a AW because it has a flash Hider, the pistol grip that protrudes below the weapon, and a collapsable stock.

So how do you guys get around all this stuff?

David M.
San Jose, CA

[sffred]

^^^ ???

[ramathorn]

I got the BRS lower....They will ship their stripped lower to CA. In the process of building my rifle..

I want a BRS47 lower. May just have to get myself one sooner than later, they'll eventually dry up in CA.

[Junkie]

yep I did it from billet. I will take a picture and post it for you.

You will have to make a new mag release lever, then a shroud to cover it that will only allow the end of the round to push the lever up.

so if the DOJ website is not up, how do we register it?

doesn't it have to be registered in CA too?

I don't want to get into trouble just to have them tell me I can never own a gun.

newbie here in the "too many rules state"

born, raised TX, 20 years combat arms MOS, Army

I would hate to be forced to give up my guns, oops should I say I would hate for someone to try and make me give up my guns.

David M.
San Jose, CA

Registration opens 1/1/17 and it has to be registered before 1/1/18. There's no need to register it with the state before that.

I was hoping to avoid making a lever if they were willing to sell me one. I imagine it needs to be reasonably tight tolerances, and hardened... neither of which are my strong points.

I wish PSA would have sold me a lower, but they refused. That would have made life so easy, try getting the BB that IO uses on the M214 ioin1013 (have one, its ok) , it bolts to the trigger guard and will probably work, you will have to cut off the wings.

They'll allow FFLs to order them after filling out some paperwork. If you decide you'd like one, Farwest Photography in Santa Clara (dvs762 here) can order one for you. He did for me. Great FFL.

OK, I have been reading thru the flow chart for the California DOJ as it pertains to AW/rifles.

It seams the Palmetto State Armory kit PSA KS47, if you build it with a bullet button in the lower, it still classifies as a AW because it has a flash Hider, the pistol grip that protrudes below the weapon, and a collapsable stock.

So how do you guys get around all this stuff?

David M.
San Jose, CA

I believe you're confusing the two compliance options.

There are two options: featureless or BB (fixed mag next year).

Featureless = no evil features (pistol grip, flash hider, folding/telescoping/thumbhole stock, etc). You can then have a normal mag release. You can pin a fixed stock, make a kydex grip wrap (or buy a special grip), and replace the flash hider with a comp, brake, or thread protector.

With a BB (this year)/fixed mag (next year), you can have all the evil features you want (other than overall length, still has to be >30").

A gun that's BB'd this year will have to be registered as an AW next year. Featureless won't require registration.

[skyguynca]

OK, got it. If I want all the evil features, I should build several lowers with serial numbers this year before 1/2017.

I need to make sure I register them as soon as it is allowed on the DOJ website.

Ok, sorry but one more question. What do I need to fill out (paperwork) after I build it, do I have to submit a california new gun owner application? what about the background check?

Thank you for all the help.

David
San Jose,CA

[skyguynca]

Registration opens 1/1/17 and it has to be registered before 1/1/18. There's no need to register it with the state before that.

I was hoping to avoid making a lever if they were willing to sell me one. I imagine it needs to be reasonably tight tolerances, and hardened... neither of which are my strong points.They'll allow FFLs to order them after filling out some paperwork. If you decide you'd like one, Farwest Photography in Santa Clara (dvs762 here) can order one for you. He did for me. Great FFL.I believe you're confusing the two compliance options.

There are two options: featureless or BB (fixed mag next year).

Featureless = no evil features (pistol grip, flash hider, folding/telescoping/thumbhole stock, etc). You can then have a normal mag release. You can pin a fixed stock, make a kydex grip wrap (or buy a special grip), and replace the flash hider with a comp, brake, or thread protector.

With a BB (this year)/fixed mag (next year), you can have all the evil features you want (other than overall length, still has to be >30").

A gun that's BB'd this year will have to be registered as an AW next year. Featureless won't require registration.

Tolerances are not that tight. It is a simple teetering lever that really just slips under the catch on the magazine. The magazine well does really all the supporting. It is pretty simple.

You could just see if you can order another lever from PSA, could not be more than $10, then cut the wings off it and then install the I.O. bullet button cover. I will try and send you a picture of the one that came on my M214.

David M.
San Jose, CA

[Junkie]

I asked them and they're unwilling to sell me one. Hopefully making one isn't too hard. I agree that modifying it to work with a BB won't be too hard.

The law says that they must have been AWs before 1/1/17, which a receiver isn't. It doesn't say it has to be at the end of the year, just that it has to be at some point.

There's no paperwork you need to do before the end of this year... but I would recommend taking pictures and posting them somewhere before the end of the year to show that you made it this year.