Selling and shipping stripped lower

[sorensen440]

True. However, being a long gun the ATF FAQ does not state that any declaration is necessary.

I could be wrong but I thought usps required it

[spdrcr]

I could be wrong but I thought usps required it

The only form for firearms that came up on the USPS website was Form 1508 for dealers or manufacturers.

I am curious though as I plan to ship a couple lowers.

[missiondude]

The form for dealers and manufacturers is the one you use if they make you fill one out. I had mine printed and filled out, but they only briefly looked at it and then handed it back. I did mail it out of the Laguna Beach post office, and it may have been the first gun they ever processed if the clerks reaction was any indication.

Doing it local will save you time and a headache, you may want to consider a PPT at a local FFL...

[Gator Monroe]

So I can have a lower shipped from a source (non-FFL) in Texas to my FFL ?

[Shane916]

So I can have a lower shipped from a source (non-FFL) in Texas to my FFL ?

If your FFL accepts shipments from Non-FFL's then yes.

[bplvr]

I ship UPS and tell them it is "Sporting Goods/ Equipment" .So far no problems.

[BillyGoatMachine]

I've done this twice for myself, and once for a friend. My FFL agrees to accept the lower from private party. I just send a copy with payment or fax my FFL's license to the private party. The lower and paperwork gets shipped directly to my FFL for transfer. Done deal. Completely Legal.

[Flying Bones]

Maybe i'm fortunate to have a FFL that will take shipments from private party. I just try to keep the FFL protected by dealing with known sources.

[ohsmily]

I ship UPS and tell them it is "Sporting Goods/ Equipment" .So far no problems.

Your clever ruse (probably did not) violate federal law. What you did is just as original as "machined metal parts."

(reading code now).

[ke6guj]

Good for you, your clever ruse violated federal law. What you did is just as original as "machined metal parts."

You should delete your post.

Actually, if being shipped to an FFL, no declaration is neccessary. Now, UPS/Fedex regulations may require you to declare it, but failure to do so is not a violation of federal law. It may void your insurance if the package was lost.

[ohsmily]

Actually, if being shipped to an FFL, no declaration is neccessary. Now, UPS/Fedex regulations may require you to declare it, but failure to do so is not a violation of federal law. It may void your insurance if the package was lost.

What is your support for that statement?

(B8) May a nonlicensee ship a firearm by common or contract carrier? [Back]

A nonlicensee may ship a firearm by a common or contract carrier to a resident of his or her own State or to a licensee in any State. A common or contract carrier must be used to ship a handgun. In addition, Federal law requires that the carrier be notified that the shipment contains a firearm and prohibits common or contract carriers from requiring or causing any label to be placed on any package indicating that it contains a firearm.

[18 U.S.C. 922(a)(2)(A), 922(a) (3), 922(a)(5) and 922(e), 27 CFR 478.31 and 478.30]

[ke6guj]

What is your support for that statement?

the ATF FAQ is misleading/incorrect.

Here is the code:

Sec. 478.31 Delivery by common or contract carrier.

(a) No person shall knowingly deliver or cause to be delivered to
any common or contract carrier for transportation or shipment in
interstate or foreign commerce to any person other than a licensed
importer, licensed manufacturer, licensed dealer, or licensed collector,
any package or other container in which there is any firearm or
ammunition without written notice to the carrier that such firearm or
ammunition is being transported or shipped:

If shipped to one of those bolded persons, no written notice is required.

[ohsmily]

the ATF FAQ is misleading/incorrect.

Here is the code:




If shipped to one of those bolded persons, no written notice is required.

Touche salesman. I didn't read the code, only the FAQ. So, written notice may not be required, but what about any notice. I have some reading to do.

[ke6guj]

Touche salesman. I didn't read the code, only the FAQ which isn't "confusing," it states the wrong information.

Yup, the FAQ totally skips the most important part of that section. What is funny is that just about every shipment in interstate traffic to a person other than those bolded above would be a violation of federal law. So, if you are gonna violate one section of federal law, be sure to notify UPS/FEDex that you are shipping a firearm so you don't violate a second section of federal law.

[ohsmily]

Yup, the FAQ totally skips the most important part of that section. What is funny is that just about every shipment in interstate traffic to a person other than those bolded above would be a violation of federal law. So, if you are gonna violate one section of federal law, be sure to notify UPS/FEDex that you are shipping a firearm so you don't violate a second section of federal law.

After looking at 18 USC 922 and 27 CFR 478.31, I see that I was wrong about stating that it violated the law to fail to disclose to a common carrier that you are shipping a firearm. Having said that, I believe it is the policy of these companies that you must declare a firearm to them. If you claim it is machined metal parts or sporting goods and your package is lost or damaged, it is unlikely you will be able to collect any potential insurance that you had on the item.