.22lr upper on MULTI lower = Future AW?

[mshill]

Soooooo much fail and fud in this thread. CSACANNONEER answered the question in post #6.

(1) A semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that does not have a fixed magazine but has any one of the following:

Take my word for it... if a LEO (that doesn't know/understand the law) thinks your weapon violates the AW law, it doesn't matter how it is marked, whether the magazine is fixed, or whether or not it is rimfire or centerfire. he will be taking it until someone straightens him out.

Doing all this mental gymnastics to avoid "the appearance" of violating the law is a waste of time. Either take your firearms out in public with the confidence that it is legal or lock it away in the safe.

I regularly shoot at a range full of LEO with 10/20 and 10/30 mags, rimfire rifles that otherwise appear to be AW (thumbhole stocks, less than 30" OAL, etc.) and not once has anyone asked to inspect my rifles or make sure that my mags only hold 10 rounds.

[Wildhawk66]

Soooooo much fail and fud in this thread. CSACANNONEER answered the question in post #6.

You seem to have completely missed the point being made about non bullet buttoned AR15 lowers with features that is the topic of this discussion and that was not addressed in post 6.

Take my word for it... if a LEO (that doesn't know/understand the law) thinks your weapon violates the AW law, it doesn't matter how it is marked, whether the magazine is fixed, or whether or not it is rimfire or centerfire. he will be taking it until someone straightens him out.

I completely agree with you here, though I do think we can all do things that lessen the chances of a bad encounter, such as the things I noted for AR22's.

Doing all this mental gymnastics to avoid "the appearance" of violating the law is a waste of time. Either take your firearms out in public with the confidence that it is legal or lock it away in the safe.

Disagree. Personally, I think it's worth the time to do certain things to minimize risk. Your mileage may vary.

I regularly shoot at a range full of LEO with 10/20 and 10/30 mags, rimfire rifles that otherwise appear to be AW (thumbhole stocks, less than 30" OAL, etc.) and not once has anyone asked to inspect my rifles or make sure that my mags only hold 10 rounds

Ok, though I don't see how your personal experience at one range is an indicator of risk for everyone else everywhere else in the state.

[Wildhawk66]

Thank you for following up with more detail.

Honestly, I'm not sure what your point is in hammering us with the strict legal definition of constructive possession in this discussion. It's already been acknowledged that we are not using it in the strict legal sense, just the general sense as it has been used on this board for many years. Anyway, you are technically correct in this for whatever that is worth.

Otherwise though, while I do not necessarily agree with everything you have stated, this post is at least specific and insightful and good food for thought. Also, you are correct in that the Michel memo has no legal standing. It is their legal opinion only and people will have to decide their own level of comfort based on the facts available.

[rumrunner102]

Thank you for following up with more detail.

Honestly, I'm not sure what your point is in hammering us with the strict legal definition of constructive possession in this discussion. It's already been acknowledged that we are not using it in the strict legal sense, just the general sense as it has been used on this board for many years. Anyway, you are technically correct in this for whatever that is worth.

Otherwise though, while I do not necessarily agree with everything you have stated, this post is at least specific and insightful and good food for thought. Also, you are correct in that the Michel memo has no legal standing. It is their legal opinion only and people will have to decide their own level of comfort based on the facts available.

Sorry for the tone Wildhawke, my words may have been fairly strident.

I know that you understand, and have knowledge of, the term. I've seen enough posters here somehow think that constructive possession means if they have eg. an AR configured featureless and a pistol grip in their parts bag, that through the magic of some words identified as constructive possession, they could be charged with possession of an AW. If they are to be charged, it'll be based on something other than c.p.

I do agree with your advice that any affirmative steps that one could take to make crystal clear one's intent is a prudent way to go. So your advice of removing the buffer spring, etc. is painless for the owner but goes a long way to insulating one from having a specious charge brought against them.

[xxINKxx]

If its not illegal now to use it on a multi lower and not be in trouble for the evil features then why would it be bad later.

[Jimi Jah]

Because the minds of Excremento said so. Now we wait for all the details of the future bans.