Featureless question

[sgraff2]

So from what I have been reading is that if I purchased a complete AR this year with a BB installed; I can not simply configure it to featureless to avoid re-registration. I know after 2014, the doj pretty much registers your long guns, and knows everything about it. Building a lower though on the other hand is a different story as you can start that off as a featureless from the get go (or thats what I believe what happens)

With the new PC 30900(b)(1) it does seem like anyone who pretty much purchased a AR with an installed BB from the years of 2000-2016 would have to register. Especially if you purchased a AR after 1/1/2014, the doj has record of what you purchased and knows that your AR came with a BB to be CA compliant, and if it wasn't sold as a featureless rifle.

"(b) (1) Any person who, from January 1, 2001, to December 31, 2016, inclusive, lawfully possessed an assault weapon that does not have a fixed magazine, as defined in Section 30515, including those weapons with an ammunition feeding device that can be readily removed from the firearm with the use of a tool, shall register the firearm before January 1, 2018, but not before the effective date of the regulations adopted pursuant to paragraph (5), with the department pursuant to those procedures that the department may establish by regulation pursuant to paragraph (5)."

Sorry if this has been posted over and over again, I'm just confused, as people say that you can just configure your AR that you purchased after 1/1/2014 to featureless and you can avoid RAW all together.

I really need some clarification!

[kcheung2]

So from what I have been reading is that if I purchased a complete AR this year with a BB installed; I can not simply configure it to featureless to avoid re-registration. I know after 2014, the doj pretty much registers your long guns, and knows everything about it. Building a lower though on the other hand is a different story as you can start that off as a featureless from the get go (or thats what I believe what happens)

With the new PC 30900(b)(1) it does seem like anyone who pretty much purchased a AR with an installed BB from the years of 2000-2016 would have to register. Especially if you purchased a AR after 1/1/2014, the doj has record of what you purchased and knows that your AR came with a BB to be CA compliant, and if it wasn't sold as a featureless rifle.

"(b) (1) Any person who, from January 1, 2001, to December 31, 2016, inclusive, lawfully possessed an assault weapon that does not have a fixed magazine, as defined in Section 30515, including those weapons with an ammunition feeding device that can be readily removed from the firearm with the use of a tool, shall register the firearm before January 1, 2018, but not before the effective date of the regulations adopted pursuant to paragraph (5), with the department pursuant to those procedures that the department may establish by regulation pursuant to paragraph (5)."

Sorry if this has been posted over and over again, I'm just confused, as people say that you can just configure your AR that you purchased after 1/1/2014 to featureless and you can avoid RAW all together.

I really need some clarification!

The bolded part is true. Actually, one can also configure an AR purchased before 2014 to featureless. Your first sentence is false.

[sgraff2]

The bolded part is true. Actually, one can also configure an AR purchased before 2014 to featureless. Your first sentence is false.

Even with it being sold as fully featured ar with a BB installed after 2014?

[sevendayweekend]

Even with it being sold as fully featured ar with a BB installed after 2014?

yes

[Bullets&Whitewalls]

How do they know that your rifle was purchased with a BB ? I have never drosed an AR so it's an honest question. now that you bring this up I do see the concern on how it's written.

[CWDraco]

How do they know that your rifle was purchased with a BB ? I have never drosed an AR so it's an honest question. now that you bring this up I do see the concern on how it's written.

They actually dont know, but they could find out by contacting the manufacturer and ask how the firearm was sent into CA. They can then find the FFL who altered and sold it if it was sent into CA as an AW.

Either way at some point someone had to modify the firearm.

[sgraff2]

How do they know that your rifle was purchased with a BB ? I have never drosed an AR so it's an honest question. now that you bring this up I do see the concern on how it's written.

Well when you dros they know everything about the weapon. In order that specific model has to be sold, let's say an m&p sport it has to have a BB. So they pretty much know which Model needs a BB in order to be CA compliant. I dunno I might be wrong I'm not really sure about this situation as well

[Kwikvette]

A visual inspection will suffice; you have to remember that many of us have built our own rifles and sold them via PPT.

As long as the rifle in question is configured in a manner that is legal per CA law, and is not banned by name, then you're GTG.

[Saym14]

Even with it being sold as fully featured ar with a BB installed after 2014?

all that is recorded is the serial number and make. they don't know everything about it. they cannot tell a stripped lower from a complete gun.

[CWDraco]

A visual inspection will suffice; you have to remember that many of us have built our own rifles and sold them via PPT.

As long as the rifle in question is configured in a manner that is legal per CA law, and is not banned by name, then you're GTG.

what he is asking is, how is the DoJ / BoF going to know if your rifle is a LEGALLY POSSESSED AW...as per the law states in order to register it as an AW.

The answer is they will not know unless they investigate your claim.

There is a possibility, and yes I know this isn't popular to say, but truth hurts..., if you bought a featureless rifle or stripped lower, the DoJ / BoF may not allow you to register it as an AW, even though you have reconfigured it into a newly defined AW.

1- The law says you can ONLY register newly re-defined AW rifles possed from 2001-2016...
2- The DoJ / BoF is REQUIRED under the new law to collect information about...WHAT YOU ACQUIRED / POSSESS / PURCHASED...

So if they figure out the rifle you are trying to register wasnt a mag-locked rifle at the time of purchase, they could deny your application and demand you comply with CA law, which is destroy the rifle, get it out of CA, or configure it as a featureless rifle.

There is no law that forces the DoJ / BoF to "take your word for it"

DoJ / BoF doesn't have the "burden of Proof" to prove you dont own what you say you do. The law requires YOU to provide proof of what you own.

I have no idea what they are going to do or what the law's regulations will say... I just know, hope for the best, plan for the worst.. If you wanna register your rifle as an AW post 1/1/2017.. stay on top of this topic and figure a way to provide proof you have a re-defined AW PRIOR to 1/1/2017.


add-on.....
PLEASE THINK ABOUT THIS....
1- In 2005 you buy a Mini-14. This is a featureless rifle. In 2010 you decide you want a flash hider on it. So like a good boy, you first add a mag-lock (BB), then add the flash hider. This is now a Fixed Magazine rifle with features.
In 1/1/2017 you submit an application to register it as an AW....because now it is re-defined as an AW NOT a fixed magazine with features, or a Featureless rifle. Before the registration is accepted, you are pulled over by police for a broken tail light. They find the rifle in your car.... what do they say it is? Its an AW..period. It meets the legal definition of an AW. That proof do you have of your legal ownership of this AW? None. You only have proof of purchase of parts and a FEATURELESS rifle purchase years earlier. They have mett their "burden of proof" by showing you bought a FEATURELESS rifle which is NOW an AW. You now have the BURDEN of proof you didnt JUST MODIFY IT POST 1/1/2017 IN AN ATTEMPT TO GET AN AW.

2- Some guy owns 12 stripped lowers. He legally purchased them prior to 1/1/2017. What is going to stop him from ILLEGALLY ASSEMBLING them into AWs after 1/1/2017 and registering them? I'll tell you what is going to stop that... The DoJ / BoF requiring proof that you owned a fully functional newly redefined AW prior to 1/1/2017 ...AS PER THE NEW LAW.