Adding a serial number to an 80% lower legally

[jcwatchdog]

I have one 80% lower that I attached a custom serialized dog tag with JB weld. This isn't officially registered, but just as ID in case of it being stolen. Is this enough to legally register officially with the state? The engraving isn't directly on the frame, however, neither is a Glock's engraving on the frame. And it's pretty much permanent unless you take a dremel to it. Any ideas from anyone?

I do have to verify the depth of engraving, although I'm not sure how I can measure such small depths.

[LowThudd]

ATF wants it on the actual frame. Glocks are different because they are plastic and the frame would need to be destroyed to remove the tag, technically.

[Cokebottle]

Your personal name = Manufacturer
City and State of manufacture
Model (call it anything)
Caliber (may be "Multi")
Serial Number (currently, any combination of letters and numbers you'd like)

Must be engraved or stamped into the lower receiver to a depth of at least 1/16".

[jcwatchdog]

Your personal name = Manufacturer
City and State of manufacture
Model (call it anything)
Caliber (may be "Multi")
Serial Number (currently, any combination of letters and numbers you'd like)

Must be engraved or stamped into the lower receiver to a depth of at least 1/16".

So permanently attaching it on the frame, technically becoming a part of the frame, isn't good enough?

[DB2]

Your personal name = Manufacturer
City and State of manufacture
Model (call it anything)
Caliber (may be "Multi")
Serial Number (currently, any combination of letters and numbers you'd like)

Must be engraved or stamped into the lower receiver to a depth of at least 1/16".

Close

letters/numbers no less than a 1/16" in size.
minimum depth of .003.

1/16" of depth would go through most receivers

[Cokebottle]

So permanently attaching it on the frame, technically becoming a part of the frame, isn't good enough?

ATF says "Engraved" and "Stamped" not "Attached"

Pretty sure ATF would not consider JB Weld to be "permanent"... it is epoxy based and can be defeated with heat.

[DB2]

So permanently attaching it on the frame, technically becoming a part of the frame, isn't good enough?

No. It must be engraved directly on the firearm receiver. Not attached.

[jcwatchdog]

ATF wants it on the actual frame. Glocks are different because they are plastic and the frame would need to be destroyed to remove the tag, technically.

You would ruin the frame to try and remove this tag on my 80% also. I also have a Cz p07 and p09 and both frame have the serial number on raised tabs attached to the frame. They look like they could be shaved off with a sharp knife and the frame would be mostly undamaged.

[Cokebottle]

Close

letters/numbers no less than a 1/16" in size.
minimum depth of .003.

1/16" of depth would go through most receivers

That's right.

Standard machinists lettering punch set will do the job just fine.
Easily on a steel AK blank.
No problem on a raw 80% AR lower.
They won't make a single mark on a hard anodized AR lower.

[jcwatchdog]

No. It must be engraved directly on the firearm receiver. Not attached.

Thanks for the replies. I guess it will not work. The atf is stupid. It's not like a $2 file can't render any serial number unreadable and the gun still functional.

[Cokebottle]

The regs are the regs.

The ATF can make exceptions as needed for specific frames and even grant manufacturers a permanent variance, but the above lists the standard requirements.

Feel free to submit your lower to the local ATF field office for confirmation it is acceptable. If it is, then keep the documentation on that status for the CaDOJ.

[Cokebottle]

It's not like a $2 file can't render any serial number unreadable and the gun still functional.

Yep... and that is also a felony to be in possession of that gun.

You can have a non-serialized firearm.
You can't have one where the SN has been altered, obscured, or removed.


And again on the "variance" thing... my new S&W has the SN under the crane rather than on the side.

[DB2]

You would ruin the frame to try and remove this tag on my 80% also. I also have a Cz p07 and p09 and both frame have the serial number on raised tabs attached to the frame. They look like they could be shaved off with a sharp knife and the frame would be mostly undamaged.

I guess you can do what you want, but the regulations are pretty clear.

Engraved, stamped or pressed.

Here, read it yourself.

https://www.atf.gov/firearms/firearms-guides-importation-verification-firearms-ammunition-firearms-verification-overview

[jcwatchdog]

I guess you can do what you want, but the regulations are pretty clear.

Engraved, stamped or pressed.

Here, read it yourself.

ATF Firearm marking regs.

I get a 404 page not found, but I believe you. It won't work for me then.

Does anyone know of any engraving FFL in Sacramento or anywhere that can accept a shipment by mail?

[Cokebottle]

I get a 404 page not found, but I believe you. It won't work for me then.

Does anyone know of any engraving FFL in Sacramento or anywhere that can accept a shipment by mail?

No FFL needed if they can do it while you are present.
Try a trophy shop