Let's Hope The Gun/Ammo dealers Stop Selling to Law Enforcement As Well

[IGORR]

I, for one, appreciate the BS LEOs have to go through to serve communities. If you understand how unions work, you will see that most LEOs dont have a choice. I would ask the OP when he last hit the voting boxes.

Yea because the pro 2nd voters obviously have a ton of power here in Cali.
Especially for these last round of bills that were just voted on....oh wait
But I guess you mean voting for the politicians....that run unopposed....
Yea, it's all our own fault.

[jemswirl]

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[roostersgt]

I respectfully disagree with the basic tenor of your remarks. it seems to be the issue for you is whether "the public" (as you call them) should be "allowed to have" (not your words, but it is how it comes across) the same firearms that the government has. For me, it is not a question of "permission." Rather, it is a question of basic human rights.

Under our theory of government, we are endowed by nature with certain unalienable rights. The ONLY legitimate purpose of government is to SECURE those rights. Accordingly, neither the Constitution in general, nor the Second Amendment in particular confer any rights upon us. Rather, the Constitution and Second Amendment merely acknowledge pre-existing rights. Accordingly, the Second Amendment does not grant us the right to keep and bear arms. Instead, the Second Amendment merely recognizes a right that exists even in the absence of government.

Frankly, I could care less what the Fifth Circuit or the Supreme Court says about the Second Amendment. Legal decisions are rendered by judges who have little respect for the Constitution or for their judicial oath. Most of them are domestic enemies of the Constitution. Ever since the Constitution was ratified and Bill of Rights were adopted, judges have been pecking away at our rights, through the guise of "interpretation," which is merely a game of intellectual gymnastics and somersaults, the purpose of which is dress up in fancy garb decisions which have no basis in the text or original understanding of the document.

For example, the Second Amendment says that "the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed." With all due respect to the Fifth Circuit, the Second Amendment does not say "the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed, except for arms that are dangerous and uncommon."

I think that a modest reading of the Second Amendment, supported by many current legal scholars, is that the Second Amendment was intended to protect weapons most commonly in use by an infantry soldier. In modern times, this would mean an M4 carbine (full auto) and a 9mm or .45 ACP pistol. This means 30, 17, and 15 round magazines.

Many of the Founders wrote of how an armed populace serves an important anti-tyranny function. It keeps the government in check. The idea, therefore, that only the government should possess automatic weapons is fraught with peril.

Frankly, I think our military is too big, and overstretched, and our LEOs are vastly over-militarized. For many of the Founders, the only thing they feared more than a Standing Army was a Central Bank.

Playing devil's advocate here, but the 2nd also has "well regulated" mentioned in the first part of the sentence, prior to the comma. I'm just guessing the courts over the years relied heavily upon that phrase and determined "regulated" meant they could do just that.

[jemswirl]

The following are taken from the Oxford English Dictionary, and bracket in time the writing of the 2nd amendment:

1709: "If a liberal Education has formed in us well-regulated Appetites and worthy Inclinations."

1714: "The practice of all well-regulated courts of justice in the world."

1812: "The equation of time ... is the adjustment of the difference of time as shown by a well-regulated clock and a true sun dial."

1848: "A remissness for which I am sure every well-regulated person will blame the Mayor."

1862: "It appeared to her well-regulated mind, like a clandestine proceeding."

1894: "The newspaper, a never wanting adjunct to every well-regulated American embryo city."

The phrase "well-regulated" was in common use long before 1789, and remained so for a century thereafter. It referred to the property of something being in proper working order. Something that was well-regulated was calibrated correctly, functioning as expected. Establishing government oversight of the people's arms was not only not the intent in using the phrase in the 2nd amendment, it was precisely to render the government powerless to do so that the founders wrote it.

[Buster Curtis]

We the people whom hold dear our 2A rights need to recognize without exception that there is no "us" and "them" within our community. LEOs, Veterans, active military, and civilians alike, must recognize that we will continue to fail to defend our rights as long as we point our fingers inward and argue amongst ourselves. When we finally come together as one, we will be unstoppable. We have the power to make this happen.

[highpower]

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So when a band of thugs or gangbanger attack your house, kidnap your wife or kids, just who the f@ck do you call?? Talk is cheap on the internet...

I am a retired California LEO (7 years military and 20+ years LEO) who became permanently disabled (and subsequently retired) by a violent suspect on PCP protecting ungrateful people like you! If it wasn't for us of the "thin blue line" between you and the @ssholes, there woulds be chaos. In the late 1990s, I know, approximately 40% of all LEO retirements are for disability (injuries). That included payments to widows and orphans of cops killed protecting you.

PS: BTW, Myself and all of the cops I personally know are VERY pre-second amendment!

While YOU and other rank and file cops may be pro second amendment, nearly all the big city Chiefs and county Sheriffs are busy sucking the politicians dicks and tend to back what comes out of Sacramento.

I think that if a few of your overlords were to be victims of violent crime, they may change their tune.

I say ban all sales of ammo and guns to Commifornia, including the cops. At the very least make them live under the same rules that the rest of the PRC subjects have to labor under.

[angrybell]

It may be the only way to hurt the establishment legally. It's not that I dislike LEOs. I work with them. I have a healthy respect for the work they do. However, we can't win at the ballot box because of the election laws which favor the party in power. If we can get the industry to effectively boycott California's government, that might have an effect.


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[SVT-40]

Treyzian: if those individual officers were so pro 2A then they would clean house in their unions so that these bills would never make it to law, let's face it, without the police unions backing, these bills either on the vine. I hold every single police officer accountable for the actions of their unions. Fvck them all.

Why do you believe Law Enforcement Associations exist?

What do you think their purpose is?

I guess you did not know that when Prop 47 was up for a vote in Ca. Most LEO Associations were totally against it...

Just how did that work out???

It still passed...

[SVT-40]

That guy gets paid by his advertisers, who threatened to stop paying for advertising in the new magazine. That guy, like me and many other sane people, do not believe the general population should have unlimited access to FULLY AUTOMATIC MACHINE GUNS. We believe those types of weaponry only belong in the hands of highly trained specialized LEO's, for limited purposes, and for use by our military. t it at that. Having the opinion that the general public should not have such weaponry does NOT make one anti-2nd. .

What a bunch of tripe...

I'm a retired LEO who lives in AZ. Most of my machine gun owning friends are not ex law Enforcement or Ex Military.

Most are just good guys who love shooting. They have all sorts of machine guns from tripod mounted belt fed's to sub machine guns...Some have one or two, and some own dozens and dozens of them.

Most are pre 1986 guns.

Some are guys who have obtained FFL's and SOT's so they can manufacture and have new machine guns...

The idea that only the Government should have machine guns, is the same thinking that the liberals apply to semi-auto firearms.

Remember pre 1986 owning a machine gun was not just for the wealthy, as it is for many today. It was common place and no big deal...The use of real machine guns in crimes is non existent.

Here in Az owning and shooting a machine gun is not a big deal... No one at the range looks at you funny, or considers you to be a danger to society...Remember it's not the gun which causes crime it's the criminals.

Your view does in fact make you anti 2A.

[SVT-40]

Playing devil's advocate here, but the 2nd also has "well regulated" mentioned in the first part of the sentence, prior to the comma. I'm just guessing the courts over the years relied heavily upon that phrase and determined "regulated" meant they could do just that.

Machine guns are "well regulated" in states which allow their citizens to have them....Same with suppressors....

But you believe only the .Gov should have them...

That's the same view the politicians in Ca have about semi-autos...

[FLIGHT762]

While YOU and other rank and file cops may be pro second amendment, nearly all the big city Chiefs and county Sheriffs are busy sucking the politicians dicks and tend to back what comes out of Sacramento.

I think that if a few of your overlords were to be victims of violent crime, they may change their tune.

I say ban all sales of ammo and guns to Commifornia, including the cops. At the very least make them live under the same rules that the rest of the PRC subjects have to labor under.

Really? The California Sheriff's association (these are THE Sheriff's) came out AGAINST Gavin Newsom's ballot measure which is very similar to what the Governor just signed. It's in a Sac Bee article last March: http://www.sacbee.com/news/politics-...e65970452.html

[calimstng66]

I wholeheartedly disagree!

First, our problems do not stem from the politicians, they come from the ignorance of the people. It comes from us(meaning you and me) allowing other cultures to invade ours. It comes from us doing nothing while they are activated and following funded orders from their handlers to do everything in their elected power to enslave us. (That's what governments do, don't you know)

Second, you are saying that if someone follows them home they(LEO) should have the appropriate tools to defend themselves? What of my beautiful wife and daughter? You are saying that my loved ones should have a cumbersome, difficult and limited tool to defend themselves against the very same scumbags that might pursue the men in blue??? How about your elected officials, do they deserve the same exemptions? UN-Flipping Believable! You sir need to quit bowing down to "The World We Live In" and grow a pair.

Happy Independence Day!
Trigger...

You probably have zero idea what a LEO goes through at work and off duty. I highly doubt you or your family have to look over their shoulders when they go to the grocery store or have to worry about some criminal turd recognizing them when out at the movies. These turds know who the cops are. They remember them and some of them hold a grudge or want to prove a point. You or your family might just be at the wrong place at the wrong time, which sucks and i hope doesnt happen, but you do not have a target on your back... they do.

[Trakker]

Let's Hope The Gun/Ammo dealers Stop Selling to Law Enforcement As Well

You probably have zero idea what a LEO goes through at work and off duty. I highly doubt you or your family have to look over their shoulders when they go to the grocery store or have to worry about some criminal turd recognizing them when out at the movies. These turds know who the cops are. They remember them and some of them hold a grudge or want to prove a point. You or your family might just be at the wrong place at the wrong time, which sucks and i hope doesnt happen, but you do not have a target on your back... they do.

All of us potentially have a target on our backs. Let's not treat anyone different. It's a career choice.


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[hadjin]

Treyzian: if those individual officers were so pro 2A then they would clean house in their unions so that these bills would never make it to law, let's face it, without the police unions backing, these bills either on the vine. I hold every single police officer accountable for the actions of their unions. Fvck them all.

Ditto

[spoof145]

Fortunately for me I lost all my "assault weapons" and "high capacity" magazines last month. It was a tragic fire. But I will say as a peace officer in the people's republik of kalifornia, these laws are absolutely ridiculous and well over 90% of law enforcement officers in this state are opposed to them, and would never participate in confiscation efforts.