Fix or detachable magazine...need clarification please

[Baggs]

According to the sticky above, cokeBottle wrote:

"If a gun... ANY centerfire semiautomatic rifle or any semiautomatic pistol (including rimfire)... has a fixed magazine, it can not have a capacity greater than 10.

If a gun... ANY gun, has a detachable magazine and is otherwise legal in that condition... it may have a capacity of a billion rounds."

My question pertains to my 30 carbine, I have 3 or 4, 15 round clips...are these 15 round clips a no-no?

If so, where would I look to get whatever it takes to permanently make them 10 round clips?

Thanks

[kcheung2]

Read the last paragraph in the post you are referencing. A m1 carbine is considered featureless.

[Baggs]

Read the last paragraph in the post you are referencing. A m1 carbine is considered featureless.

I'm not used to all the terms yet...but if I read it correctly, my carbine is legal with it's 15 round clips?

Thanks...it's the only "non-hunting" rifle I have, pulled it out the other day to clean it up and thought about taking it down to the river and shooting some rounds, but didn't want to get in trouble.

[brianm767]

I'm not used to all the terms yet...but if I read it correctly, my carbine is legal with it's 15 round clips?

Yes, that is correct.

It is featureless, meaning it doesn't have any evil features which according to politicians makes it more deadly, such as a pistol grip, folding/collapsing stock or a flash hider, so with no evil features, a bullet button (non detachable mag) is not required, and since you have a featureless detachable mag rifle, yes you can use a billion round mag, or 15 in this case, providing "you' legally possessed them in the state of CA prior to Jan 2000 ( the possession of the mag is a separate issue)

Follow the magic flow chart,

http://www.calguns.net/caawid/flowchart.pdf

[Baggs]

Gotta smile with your response Brian.

You might get a kick out of my attachment

[Librarian]

And, since I expect I'll do it more gently, your carbine uses "removable box magazines"; clips are things to carry around ammunition in an alignment so one can charge the magazines.

Although the terminology isn't really that rigid - there's a Remington accessory page where they sell 'removable magazine clips' ...

[Baggs]

And, since I expect I'll do it more gently, your carbine uses "removable box magazines"; clips are things to carry around ammunition in an alignment so one can charge the magazines.

Although the terminology isn't really that rigid - there's a Remington accessory page where they sell 'removable magazine clips' ...

Funny how when you grow up hearing things one way, it just sticks with you.

I guess after 50+ years, I'll still say "clip"

But you would think I should know better, many of my lever actions have "magazine" tubes.

[golfish]

Gotta smile with your response Brian.

You might get a kick out of my attachment

Baggs, did you "clip" that out of a "magazine" ?

[Baggs]

Baggs, did you "clip" that out of a "magazine" ?

No...my daughter called me one night and read it off to me, I asked her if she could send it to me, and that's how it came.

It was fully automatic'ed

[CSACANNONEER]

According to the sticky above, cokeBottle wrote:

"If a gun... ANY centerfire semiautomatic rifle or any semiautomatic pistol (including rimfire)... has a fixed magazine, it can not have a capacity greater than 10.

If a gun... ANY gun, has a detachable magazine and is otherwise legal in that condition... it may have a capacity of a billion rounds."

My question pertains to my 30 carbine, I have 3 or 4, 15 round clips...are these 15 round clips a no-no?

If so, where would I look to get whatever it takes to permanently make them 10 round clips?

Thanks

It depends on how your M1 Carbine is configured. If it has any evil features like a paratrooper stock, a flash hider or some modern mall ninja crap, it would most likely be considered an AW unless it has a fixed 10 round or less magazine. Also, in certain cities in CA, there are currently laws against mere possession of almost all +10 round magazines. That said, I have several 15 and 30 round mags that I can legally use in my M1 Carbine so, it is possible that you can legally own and use your's too.

[anothergunnut]

It depends on how your M1 Carbine is configured. If it has any evil features like a paratrooper stock, a flash hider or some modern mall ninja crap, it would most likely be considered an AW unless it has a fixed 10 round or less magazine. Also, in certain cities in CA, there are currently laws against mere possession of almost all +10 round magazines. That said, I have several 15 and 30 round mags that I can legally use in my M1 Carbine so, it is possible that you can legally own and use your's too.

This is a pretty important clarification. A standard USGI M1 carbine is featureless but be careful of modifications.

[BigPimping]

Soon Hildabeast will take them all regardless.

[Baggs]

It depends on how your M1 Carbine is configured. If it has any evil features like a paratrooper stock, a flash hider or some modern mall ninja crap, it would most likely be considered an AW unless it has a fixed 10 round or less magazine. Also, in certain cities in CA, there are currently laws against mere possession of almost all +10 round magazines. That said, I have several 15 and 30 round mags that I can legally use in my M1 Carbine so, it is possible that you can legally own and use your's too.

Good info there.

Mine is unmodified, many years ago I asked a much more knowledgeable person about the markings on it, he was surprised it wasn't one of the "rebuilt" ones from the era.

The gun is not pristine, but he was sure it was in the same configuration as it was built.

Thanks again for the good info.

[RickD427]

Gents,

Mr. Cokebottle was correct in his posting.

If you place a large-capacity magazine into a bullet button equipped rifle, you have created an "Assault Weapon" as defined by California law. That holds true even if the weapon is otherwise "featureless."

After all of the postings above, let's please look at the text of the statute. Here it is, with the pertinent part in bold font (Penal Code section 30515(a)):

(2) A semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that has a fixed magazine with the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds.

Please note that under PC 30515(a)(2) all that is needed is for the weapon to be center-fire and have a fixed magazine of more than 10 rounds. There is no requirement that it possess any of the evil features listed in subparagraph (a)(1).

Also please note this illustrates some of the idiocy of California's AW statute. If I have a registered AW, or a featureless rifle, I can lawfully use a magazine of any capacity. But once I add a Bullet Button, I'm limited to ten rounds. It's quite a counter-intuitive application of the law, but it's also what the statute provides for.

[Librarian]

Gents,

Mr. Cokebottle was correct in his posting.

If you place a large-capacity magazine into a bullet button equipped rifle, you have created an "Assault Weapon" as defined by California law. That holds true even if the weapon is otherwise "featureless."

There's even a sticky in this forum on the point -- http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=475423