CETME L vs. HK 93 Clones

[penguin0123]

So I've always wanted a roller delay but the G3s are so heavy and ruins brass so frequently that I'm looking at a 556 launcher.

Are the parts across all HK93 clones interchangeable? Bolt / springs, etc?

Are the CETME bolt interchangeable with HK93 bolts?



I know to stay away from Century93 and the MKE sounds like a vodka special. Vector93 sounds good on the interwebs but out of stock at Atlantic. Any other HK33 clones I should consider?

[ptoguy2002]

They all destroy brass, even the 5.56 guns.
The new Zenith 43 rifle should be here soon.
The first run of MKE guns had issues that needed to be corrected, but was doable.
There are no makers of Cetme-L guns yet. Even then, you'd be much better off with an HK-33 based gun.
Bolts are not interchangeable. cetme-L are totally different.

[kcheung2]

Also they are all heavy. If you want something roller locked, consider a PTR 32, it fires the Russian 7.62x39 & is compatible with most combloc magazines. Unless you're restricted to range-safe ammo, it would be cheap to feed.

[penguin0123]

They all destroy brass, even the 5.56 guns.
The new Zenith 43 rifle should be here soon.
The first run of MKE guns had issues that needed to be corrected, but was doable.
There are no makers of Cetme-L guns yet. Even then, you'd be much better off with an HK-33 based gun.
Bolts are not interchangeable. cetme-L are totally different.

I have 556 brass by the barrel, so that concerns me less.

Any eta on the new Z43s?

I was looking at HMG for CETME L.

Why would you say much better off with HK33 clone? Parts? Durability? The fact that the CETME L maybe have been used in a pride parade?

[penguin0123]

Also they are all heavy. If you want something roller locked, consider a PTR 32, it fires the Russian 7.62x39 & is compatible with most combloc magazines. Unless you're restricted to range-safe ammo, it would be cheap to feed.

I would be sorely tempted if I reloaded 7.62x39 or use it in any of my other rifles. And at 9.5lbs and same size as a G3, I might as well have a G3.

That said, I thinking making a clone of these would be super sweet.

[tiger222]

If you want something exotic in 223 & traditional rifle set up, I'd suggest the new STG44 redux, it takes stanag mags, and should be good. The new Bren looks fantastic too, though not retro. Good luck.

[ptoguy2002]

Also they are all heavy. If you want something roller locked, consider a PTR 32, it fires the Russian 7.62x39 & is compatible with most combloc magazines. Unless you're restricted to range-safe ammo, it would be cheap to feed.

The PTR-32 wont' take "most" combloc magazines in my personal experience.
In several other folk's experience I've read as well.
Its hit or miss.

[Citadelgrad87]

The 91 series is far easier on brass than people think. I've got a port buffer on mine, but I've been reloading for years and have never had to discard a case because the rifle mangled it.

[jeremyro]

I am not sure about the commercial ones, but I built a HK53 clone a while ago and it runs pretty damn well. It likes full power ammo, but there is not much way to adjust the recoil tension in an HK so you are going to do best with the rounds it was designed for. It will shoot wolf but stovepipes occasionally. The xm193 it will shoot all day. I am not sure why people say they don't run well in 5.56. If it is put together right it should be fine.

[jeremyro]

The 91 series is far easier on brass than people think. I've got a port buffer on mine, but I've been reloading for years and have never had to discard a case because the rifle mangled it.

Thats funny because my PSG-1 clone and HK51 clone and MP5 clone and HK53 clone ALL leave pretty beat up brass. I would not consider any of it reloadable for match ammo.

That being said I have reloaded it many times and had no problem, it just tends to be dented, ect. The dents fire out, but then you get a new one. I would not let any of my roller-delay weapons anywhere near my Lapua brass.

[Citadelgrad87]

Thats funny because my PSG-1 clone and HK51 clone and MP5 clone and HK53 clone ALL leave pretty beat up brass. I would not consider any of it reloadable for match ammo.

That being said I have reloaded it many times and had no problem, it just tends to be dented, ect. The dents fire out, but then you get a new one. I would not let any of my roller-delay weapons anywhere near my Lapua brass.

Mine is an SR9TC, factory HK. Commercial brass is an easy 5-7 loads with no issues at all.

The flutes is really more of a carbon scoring and tumbles right out.

Neck dents, I assume?

[ptoguy2002]

Neck dents and ejector marks.
I've seen it vary a lot from gun to gun.
My 11 destroys it

[jeremyro]

Yeah, neck and body actually on the 308 ones. I didn't mean my comment sarcastically at all, more in surprise. I don't doubt you can get that number of reloads, but the cases are no longer uniform for me so it really limits the accuracy I have found, in the PSG anyway. Who cares with the shortys.

I really only reload match type ammo, I mostly shoot steel case otherwise.

[Socalmp5]

That's why they sell aftermarket she'll deflectors for Hk .308s, you can trim a lil off and run on Hk .223/5.56.