What is the most Accurate AR Complete Upper?

[MarikinaMan]

Weird, I never said anything about a 10 round string (despite it being attributed to me above in post #60).

That is weird. I see the post I quoted, and it wasn't you?

[MKUltra]

I think OP is peeved that his Noveske upper isn't shooting well, and that's reasonable.

Granted, he would have been better off asking if he should expect better performance out of a Noveske upper, instead of asking what is most accurate upper, and then later divulging that an upper he purchased from Noveske wasn't hitting 20" plates at 600 yards.

I am assuming (based on OP's comments about the .308 in post #19) that he's capable of holding 2 MOA or better in prone; and that a Noveske upper should shoot 1 MOA or better with quality ammo like Black Hills (based on the brand's reputation for precision). If those assumptions are correct then he should be inside 20" at 600 yards, and thus his results suggest a possible problem with the (I'm guessing expensive) upper.

Bingo, this forum is almost as much fun as BARF on tangents. To the guys who actually tried to answer my question, thanks.

[m850168]

That is weird. I see the post I quoted, and it wasn't you?

Very odd. milotrain referenced the 10 round string in post #43. I've made a number of posts in this thread, including #59 right before yours, but not that one. Guessing it was a hiccup in the quoting code or something.

[milotrain]

I said that. It was tongue and cheek because "a hit" is a single occurrence without context. I made a hit last weekend at 100 yards on a 12" plate with a 22lr pistol one handed. That does not mean the system (me or the pistol) is consistently capable of such a thing. OP may have asked for something that could hit such and such a plate at such and such a distance but it should be understood and assumed that he meant with confidence and consistency.

As I said the 18" woa is capable of the above but I'm attempting to convey the fact that such descriptions of accuracy and potential (one single round) do no one any good.

[MarikinaMan]

^^^^ 10 seconds of slo-mo is about all I can stand. I was not bragging about my shooting. I was showing that the rifle can make the shot the OP wanted. I put a short clip to exhibit it. I will leave the scientific method to others, it's an Internet forum post for cryin out loud (I jest, it's all good )

OP - you've got a great rifle there. Something is off. Is the scope mount kinda loose? Is the scope defective? Have you tried other rounds? Were you shooting on a windy day where he target frame was swaying? I am sure if it's diagnosed, you can get the rifle to shoot much better than the splatter shots you've described.

[arnie19]

http://bulletin.accurateshooter.com/

[ocabj]

From personal experience, what do you guys consider the most accurate AR15 complete upper is? Can be any barrel length but what about the twist and best ammo combo?

Based on how the AMU shoots, I'm going to say any upper coming out of the AMU armory.

[Glockrocks]

OP what ammo have you tried and what were the results of said ammo?
Do you reload 5.56/.223?

[xrMike]

Not that I don't believe you but I've never seen evidence proving a 3/8 or less minute AR. If heard of them but never seen it.

Best group ever out of WOA service rifle upper, 5 rounds, irons, 100 yards, from the bench, Lake City brass, Nosler 69gr. bullets, Ramshot TAC powder.



I think the rifle, and my reloads, are capable of this more often, but the problem is me, of course.

These are more typical, same everything, but 10 rounds on these:

[milotrain]

Best group ever out of WOA service rifle upper, 5 rounds, irons, 100 yards, from the bench, Lake City brass, Nosler 69gr. bullets, Ramshot TAC powder.

This post is practically perfect in every way.
1. Capability proven (thanks for that, I didn't expect to find a legit example)
2. 5 round and 10 round proofs.
3. The "typical" is 3/4MOA
4. Gives you his load.

This is also why I think many of us have felt that the 69gr bullets work a bit better than the 70+gr bullets. I haven't done enough scientific testing with them but everyone I talk to feels that they shot some of their best groups with the 69s.

[alpha_romeo_XV]

Shooting at 100 yards off the bench with a scope and match ammo can "prove" what the equipment is capable of - which should be 1 MOA or less. And it's good to know that baseline for reference. Then shooting at 600 yards with iron sights and a sling in the wind will prove what the shooter can do, but it requires a barrel with enough twist to shoot the heavier bullets to get wind drift to a "manageable" point.

For those who haven't had the opportunity to shoot in a non-reduced distance match here is what the 600 slow prone target looks like. It looks like a pretty big target up close but at 600 yards that black circle appears the same 6 MOA on the front sight post as a 6" black at 100 yds. The AMU which OCABJ refers to (Army Marksmanship Unit) includes some good shooting women and they can hold the X and 10 ring and only drop a few into the 9 ring during a 20 shot string with an 20" free floated HBAR 1/7 twist A2 upper AR. And they're not shooting 55g or 62g combat ammo.



You can't see your bullet holes at 600 yards (even with a 40x spotting scope), so to make adjustments you have target pullers/markers in the "butts" (I hear there's an electronic scoring system at the rifle range on Miramar Marine base). I don't have pic of marking a 600 target but here is 300 prone rapid with 10 shots marked with golf tees and scored on the chalk board "groups and scores" at Camp Perry Nationals in July a couple years ago.