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  • IRS-form-4029
    Junior Member
    • Nov 2015
    • 2

    Buffer and Buffer springs

    I have two AR rifles both with 16" barrels, one with an A1 fixed stock and the other with an fixed A2 stock: What is the correct Buffer and Buffer spring to use, currently the spent casting are being thrown at 1pm, range experts keep telling me to use heavy weight Carbine Buffers but I don't want to spend the money because I don't believe this is to be true any thoughts or advise?
  • #2
    penguin0123
    Veteran Member
    • Dec 2011
    • 3089

    Rifle buffer tube should uses rifle spring and rifle buffer. Are you using those now?

    If it is an overgas problem, it is better to fix it with an adjustable gas block then with a buffer.




    Originally posted by IRS-form-4029
    range experts keep telling me to use heavy weight Carbine Buffers
    lol, range experts strike again. If you really want to use carbine buffer in rifle tube, use a spacer: http://www.brownells.com/rifle-parts...89-100407.aspx
    Last edited by penguin0123; 11-01-2015, 9:01 AM.

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    • #3
      SocomM4
      Senior Member
      • Oct 2010
      • 2187

      Who made your bolt and barrel?
      Originally posted by TeddyBallgame
      maybe I'm wrong, but, if a $50.00 investment can help me a bit, i'll just have to go a day without the hookers and blow to cover it
      Originally posted by ir0nclash86
      I would wipe it off for the simple fact of not wanting to get sprayed in the face with it during the first few rounds.
      Originally posted by Ride Madone
      It does not matter.An AR is the very best and safest weapon to use for home defence.

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      • #4
        FMJBT
        Veteran Member
        • Mar 2007
        • 4888

        Both A1 and A2 stocks use the same rifle length buffer system. Swapping to a carbine buffer would require swapping out the buffer, tube and spring. Heavier rifle length buffers are not very common, but you can increase the weight of your bolt carrier group for a similar effect with this:

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        • #5
          nate76239
          Senior Member
          • May 2013
          • 1632

          The rifle length buffer is 5.2oz, if you swapped to a carbine heavy buffer as those at the range recommend the Spikes ST-T2 is 4.1oz and the ST-T3 is 5.4oz so you are already near the heaviest weight

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          • #6
            NorCalFocus
            Veteran Member
            • Aug 2013
            • 3913

            1pm? Sounds over gassed. An adjustable gas block would be more of what I would invest in.

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            • #7
              IRS-form-4029
              Junior Member
              • Nov 2015
              • 2

              Originally posted by SocomM4
              Who made your bolt and barrel?
              DEZ Arms made the 16" retro barrel and I purchased a PSA bolt carrier group. I used Forster Go/No Go gauges and they checked out correct.

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              • #8
                ca727md
                Junior Member
                • Oct 2015
                • 32

                Don't think its the buffer/spring as that comes into play after the di moves the bcg..... sounds more like your gas setup.... could also be related to the twist rate of the barrel, its interior lining and the load you are using.

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                • #9
                  FeuerFrei
                  Calguns Addict
                  • Aug 2008
                  • 7455

                  Originally posted by IRS-form-4029
                  I have two AR rifles both with 16" barrels, one with an A1 fixed stock and the other with an fixed A2 stock: What is the correct Buffer and Buffer spring to use, currently the spent casting are being thrown at 1pm, range experts keep telling me to use heavy weight Carbine Buffers but I don't want to spend the money because I don't believe this is to be true any thoughts or advise?
                  5.2oz rifle buffer with rifle spring is a good combo for 16 in. over gassed AR clone.
                  Swapping a steel weight for a tungsten weight from an H carbine buffer will slow it down more. Rinse and repeat if necessary. 5 steel weights in a rifle buffer.

                  Adjustable gas is the best way to tame it.
                  Otherwise I say any reliable ejection is good ejection and let the pedantic range experts keep their own company/advise.

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                  • #10
                    penguin0123
                    Veteran Member
                    • Dec 2011
                    • 3089

                    Originally posted by FeuerFrei
                    Otherwise I say any reliable ejection is good ejection and let the pedantic range experts keep their own company/advise.
                    Not if you are getting bent rims or extractor swipes. Speaking of which, OP have you checked your brass?

                    Gewehr 43 is notoriously overgassed and they beat themselves to death in short order, but they do keep running in the horrid conditions of the Eastern Front. Unless you have no time/means to clean and consistently have mud mixed with blood from Yuri and Boris all over your action, there are more sensible ways to do things.

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                    • #11
                      SloChicken
                      Veteran Member
                      • Jul 2012
                      • 4533

                      Originally posted by NorCalFocus
                      1pm? Sounds over gassed. An adjustable gas block would be more of what I would invest in.
                      how do you know it isn't 1AM? Mine does the same thing but at 1AM.
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                      • #12
                        NorCalFocus
                        Veteran Member
                        • Aug 2013
                        • 3913

                        Originally posted by SloChicken
                        how do you know it isn't 1AM? Mine does the same thing but at 1AM.

                        Lol total thought lapse. Should have been 1 o'clock

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                        • #13
                          akjunkie
                          CGN/CGSSA Contributor - Lifetime
                          CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                          • Jan 2005
                          • 3494

                          Isnt 1-2 o'clock normal? That's what the brass deflector is for. LEFT handed shooters.

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                          • #14
                            RobertMW
                            Senior Member
                            • Jul 2013
                            • 2117

                            Originally posted by akjunkie
                            Isnt 1-2 o'clock normal? That's what the brass deflector is for. LEFT handed shooters.
                            It should still be coming out closer to 0300 (1500 for you afternoon folks).

                            Throwing brass that hard forward usually means you are ripping the round backwards so fast that the ejector is not pushing the case out of the ejection port before hitting the end of travel, you are bouncing the brass off the ejection port, and if it's real bad the brass can jump back in front of the bolt for one of these.

                            Originally posted by kcbrown
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                            • #15
                              NorCalFocus
                              Veteran Member
                              • Aug 2013
                              • 3913

                              Originally posted by akjunkie
                              Isnt 1-2 o'clock normal? That's what the brass deflector is for. LEFT handed shooters.

                              3-5 o'clock is normal.

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