PSA AR10?

[Tacit Blue]

I was looking some of their PTAC10 line. Basically looking for a 308 SASS type of rifle. The DPMS 308 LRT SASS G2 is looking like another option too.

So far i've read only negative things about the PSA PTAC10 line. Such as their uppers not chambering rounds, or parts are proprietary? So are they even worth considering?

[Army GI]

I have no problem buying budget quality guns from a reputable retailer such as PSA if I'm only using it as a range toy. I don't know about their PTAC AR10 line, but this video might be useful:

[Tacit Blue]

Yeah, I saw that video. I look at that as more of a sales pitch. The other video I saw the guy was dealing non stop issues. Other's said its good to go. So far its 50/50

[West9319]

I have one and love it. Feed it mostly Zqi and some win with now problems. Chamber was sticky at first when manually cycling to test feeding. Other then that she's been a dream.

There are some things to keep in mind like a few proprietary parts in the Lowe parts kit ( pivot or takedown pin, bolt catch, etc...) but can be avoided buying there kit or full rifle. Other issues that had been reported during the first batch was stiff ejector spring and extractor. But those have been getting less and less as time went on.

I have more info but I'm not at my laptop right now. All and all its a great entry gun for a .308 ar

[major burnout]

My buddy bought an 18in PA10. No malfunctions to my knowledge. I think they are over gassed. That thing was a bruiser. He installed an adjustable block and a brake and now its a ***** cat. Groups(ZQI) were not that good when he first got it, maybe the barrel needed a break in, maybe the recoil was the culprit. Now its a solid 3MOA gun with ZQI and 2MOA with my crappy handloads (varget/168MK). For around $800 including midwest HG I think its a very good entry level semi .308.

I have a LR308 24" dpms bull that is sub 2MOA all day. I also built another dpms upper with a lija 20". I like them. DPMS is GTG.

[Click Boom]

from what i heard if you use all psa stuff you're fine. mixing and matching uppers/lowers/parts is what creates issues.

Hell, there is a thread floating around where a guy busted a gong at 2054 yards with a psa10 and $400 vortex scope.

[Tacit Blue]

My buddy bought an 18in PA10. No malfunctions to my knowledge. I think they are over gassed. That thing was a bruiser. He installed an adjustable block and a brake and now its a ***** cat. Groups(ZQI) were not that good when he first got it, maybe the barrel needed a break in, maybe the recoil was the culprit. Now its a solid 3MOA gun with ZQI and 2MOA with my crappy handloads (varget/168MK). For around $800 including midwest HG I think its a very good entry level semi .308.

I have a LR308 24" dpms bull that is sub 2MOA all day. I also built another dpms upper with a lija 20". I like them. DPMS is GTG.

Interesting. Well, ZQI is just Nato spec ball for 9.99 at Wallyworld. I'm not shocked his groups sucked. As always when people are claiming its not that accurate, I'd like to eliminate the human factor. Trigger control, breathing, etc. I'm not saying that's the issue. But I really have no idea about how good PSA's AR10 barrels are.

But yes, I was looking at that DPMS LRT 308 SASS G2. Not many people carry them anymore. Sorta a special order deal around 1,700$


I could build my whole PSA SASS for 1,000 with a 18" freefloat barrel I think chrome molly? or melonite treated. Stainless steel is a bit more. Spend the rest on optics. Whereas the DPMS is the cost of the rifle alone.. http://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-p...ng-handle.html

[jrtech302]

The upper and lower are also specific to Palmetto. I made the mistake of trying to put a PA10 upper on a DPMS lower. It was close, but not compatible. I ended up building a full PA10 to go with that upper, and so far I'm impressed with the appearance of quality from the Palmetto parts. All parts seem well machined, and the bolt came with a one piece gas ring, plus the dual spring and o-ring on the extractor. Give me a week, and I'll tell you how it performs at the range with a few types of ammo.

In my experience, 308 type ARs are more picky in general than AR15s. My Aero hates certain types of ammo, and I've fought with a friend's DPMS upper on a CMMG lower for months to get it to run without problems. Last trip ended with a last ditch effort; I cleaned off all the conventional lube and coated it in Froglube. The last 20 rounds of 308 we had ran through it like a champ at that point. The next range day will also confirm whether or not the lubrication burning off was the issue.

[Tacit Blue]

The upper and lower are also specific to Palmetto. I made the mistake of trying to put a PA10 upper on a DPMS lower. It was close, but not compatible. I ended up building a full PA10 to go with that upper, and so far I'm impressed with the appearance of quality from the Palmetto parts. All parts seem well machined, and the bolt came with a one piece gas ring, plus the dual spring and o-ring on the extractor. Give me a week, and I'll tell you how it performs at the range with a few types of ammo.

In my experience, 308 type ARs are more picky in general than AR15s. My Aero hates certain types of ammo, and I've fought with a friend's DPMS upper on a CMMG lower for months to get it to run without problems. Last trip ended with a last ditch effort; I cleaned off all the conventional lube and coated it in Froglube. The last 20 rounds of 308 we had ran through it like a champ at that point. The next range day will also confirm whether or not the lubrication burning off was the issue.

Please do. You should do a range report. What upper did you pick?

[jrtech302]

I just bought the stripped PA10 reciever, upper parts and their 18" CMV barrel, because I had a low profile free float rail left over from another project. It head spaced properly with a Rainier Arms bolt initially, but is now built with a PA10 bcg.

The Aero is on top, PA10 below (I bought a PTAC10 stripped reciever, PA10 "upgrade kit", PA10 buffer/spring and used left over
AR15 lower parts for the rest)

[major burnout]

Interesting. Well, ZQI is just Nato spec ball for 9.99 at Wallyworld. I'm not shocked his groups sucked. As always when people are claiming its not that accurate, I'd like to eliminate the human factor. Trigger control, breathing, etc. I'm not saying that's the issue. But I really have no idea about how good PSA's AR10 barrels are.

But yes, I was looking at that DPMS LRT 308 SASS G2. Not many people carry them anymore. Sorta a special order deal around 1,700$


I could build my whole PSA SASS for 1,000 with a 18" freefloat barrel I think chrome molly? or melonite treated. Stainless steel is a bit more. Spend the rest on optics. Whereas the DPMS is the cost of the rifle alone.. http://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-p...ng-handle.html

No doubt trigger control ect is a factor. His 700 bolt gun is a true 1MOA rifle. The saiga .308 he sold was not even close to the factory PA10. I am still trying to work on my form when shooting the 10's. They are much less forgiving than the 15's.

[Tacit Blue]

No doubt trigger control ect is a factor. His 700 bolt gun is a true 1MOA rifle. The saiga .308 he sold was not even close to the factory PA10. I am still trying to work on my form when shooting the 10's. They are much less forgiving than the 15's.

I did a shooting drill with a instructor, older guy. I used my bolt gun 308. He'd feed shells and live rounds. He'd tell me " close your eyes dont watch what im doing, ok this shot is going to be really loud and go bang!". I pulled the trigger you'd be supersized how much you move your head afterwards in anticipation of a 308s recoil. 90 % of the time there was no live round. Boy did I realize I have to just tell myself to follow through... Pretty nerve wracking when somebody is standing over you. Taught me a important lesson though.

Which is why I asked the question about your friend, many people do this without realizing it.

[major burnout]

I did a shooting drill with a instructor, older guy. I used my bolt gun 308. He'd feed shells and live rounds. He'd tell me " close your eyes dont watch what im doing, ok this shot is going to be really loud and go bang!". I pulled the trigger you'd be supersized how much you move your head afterwards in anticipation of a 308s recoil. 90 % of the time there was no live round. Boy did I realize I have to just tell myself to follow through... Pretty nerve wracking when somebody is standing over you. Taught me a important lesson though.

Which is why I asked the question about your friend, many people do this without realizing it.

Right. Flinching is bad. He is LEO and has been trained by world champion marksmen (does not mean he doesnt flinch). He shoots his 700 very well. The PA10 is not a 1 MOA rifle but Ive never seen a -$1000 AR 10 capable of 1 MOA accuracy.

I think you will be happy with the PA10. If this is your first 10. If you are expecting 15 accuracy you might be disappointed. My other buddy bought a $3k reaper and it was not as accurate as my cheap LR308 bull. He sold it. The PA10 is just as accurate at the reaper. Maybe the reaper would would survive a torture test that a PA 10 would fail. Im not sure.

[dfletcher]

I was looking some of their PTAC10 line. Basically looking for a 308 SASS type of rifle. The DPMS 308 LRT SASS G2 is looking like another option too.

So far i've read only negative things about the PSA PTAC10 line. Such as their uppers not chambering rounds, or parts are proprietary? So are they even worth considering?

I bought the PTAC 308 lower from PSA for $99.00 and assembled an 18" AR 10 type with a collection of stuff from parts bin, CDNN, SOTA and just in general "going cheap" - cut down an AR 15 front sight and turned it into a "low profile" type which was covered by a $40.00 round type free float handguard. Upper from CDNN cost $75.00, barrel from Numrich was $99.00.

I think my total cost was under $450.00. I'm not exactly an AR aficionado. Functions fine, shoots around 1" @ 100 yds and sometimes better.

[flhxxx]

Hell of a deal. I am curious how it does reaching out further with some match grade ammo.