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  • aileron
    Veteran Member
    • Oct 2006
    • 3272

    Long Range Shooting Question?

    How do you guys calculate bullet drop in relation to Humidity, Temperature and Altitude???

    I cannot find anything that clearly says how to do that.

    I bought that long range shooting program from www.shootready.com and it goes over ballistics, but doesn't explain how to calculate for it. Though it does show a few tables but nothing you can keep at your desk or take with you to the range.

    I would think they would have a slide rule type contraption you could use that would allow you to see what effects if any weather was going to have on your shot. Sort of like the E6B flight computer for pilots, shown below.



    Anyone know of such a thing???
    Last edited by aileron; 12-06-2008, 6:03 PM.
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    xibunkrlilkidsx
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    • Sep 2008
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    Ive seen such a device but i cant for the life of me remember who made it.

    And hows your luck with that program. ive gott he demo book marked but i cant seem to figure out the mil dot system. it just doesnt make sense to me.
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    • #3
      CleverName
      Member
      • Jun 2005
      • 123



      Though it doesn't seem to correct for atmospheric conditions.

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      • #4
        Blacktail 8541
        Senior Member
        • May 2006
        • 1567

        Practice
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        • #5
          aileron
          Veteran Member
          • Oct 2006
          • 3272

          Originally posted by xibunkrlilkidsx
          Ive seen such a device but i cant for the life of me remember who made it.

          And hows your luck with that program. ive gott he demo book marked but i cant seem to figure out the mil dot system. it just doesnt make sense to me.
          Actually, I open it twice, and use the training section on one side of the screen with the target and scope open on the other side. That way I can go over those sections of wind or mils calculations that I might of forgot. That's been the best way to use it for me. The program is great because you get to practice dialing everything in over and over again, without going anywhere. All you needs is a pencil and paper next to you.... I would recommend it.

          I'm hitting the target more often than not, and do get it on the second shot most of the time, if I manage to miss on the first; really depends on range. It gets real iffy past 700 yards (.308) with wind and drop when the altitude, temperature, and humidity are a lot different then what the gun was zeroed to. Which is why I'm asking for help.

          Though I'm just starting to use it... The mils don't seem to be a big deal after a little practice... seems to be something that will become second nature with practice.
          Last edited by aileron; 12-06-2008, 7:37 PM.
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          • #6
            Fjold
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            • Oct 2005
            • 23055

            Here, you can compensate for weather, elevation, etc.

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            • #7
              heycorey
              Senior Member
              • Feb 2007
              • 825

              Originally posted by Fjold
              Here, you can compensate for weather, elevation, etc.

              http://www.eskimo.com/~jbm/ballistics/traj_basic/traj_basic.html

              +1 ... memorize your dope out to 600. The rest is practice, practice, practice. Oh and ... practice.

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              • #8
                4 Brigada
                Senior Member
                • Apr 2007
                • 2119

                There is a a real good program for the palm pilot pocket SSF its a good program and one more thing its free, there is also EXBAL and I think Horus has a program also. These last 2 not free.

                Added later

                I just checked and it's still available for download, do a search for Sharpshooter Friend
                Last edited by 4 Brigada; 12-06-2008, 9:05 PM.
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                • #9
                  rayra
                  Banned
                  • Mar 2006
                  • 1747

                  feh. nevermind.

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                  • #10
                    30Cal
                    Senior Member
                    • Jan 2006
                    • 1487

                    The FM23-10 field manual has thumbrules for humidity and temp. They're for the .308 173gr m118, but they'll be decent for anything remotely similar (probably not .50Cal or any of the super whamo-dyne magnums or LR specialty cartridges).

                    I'm a highpower shooter, so elevation is fairly simple and I have a couple simple thumbrules for wind at 600yds that I fudge if I need to for 200 and 300. I don't sweat humidity as I can't measure it and haven't seen that it matters; at least not with iron sights.

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                    • #11
                      4 Brigada
                      Senior Member
                      • Apr 2007
                      • 2119

                      don't sweat humidity as I can't measure it and haven't seen that it matters; at least not with iron sights.
                      +1 As its self, humidity is not much of a factor but add temp and altitude and you get air density, the denser the air the more drag and drag does matter. The formulas and the BC will get you in the ballpark the one I use gets you better seats. But as its been hammered to death on this riflemans forum , KNOW YOUR RIFLE, and to do that you need lots of dates at the range.

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                      Last edited by 4 Brigada; 12-07-2008, 1:43 PM.
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