Is using only CLP really enough of a cleaner?

[sactoshootingsensei]

Frog Lube

Clean with a good bore cleaner. CLP and Rem Oil are fine for short days at the range and intermediate cleanings and oiling, but you've got to get in there good on a regular basis.

[CandG]

I'm a recent Hornady OneShot convert. It really keeps my firearms looking beautiful, and without needing them to be coated in slippery dirt-magnet oil all the time. Then a couple drops of Tetra grease on the rails for good measure. Really really happy with that combination.

To those who say "who cares if it's the best, it works ok and we're not tier 1 operators here", that's fine if you feel that way, but some of us put a lot of pride into our firearms and want to keep them in the best condition possible for as long as possible, and are willing to spend a little more money on better products to achieve that. If you consider your firearms to be nothing more than disposable tools, that you plan to use until it breaks then replace it with another one, that's a perfectly fine way of thinking as well.

Each of my weapons (yes, even the glocks) are ones that I plan to pass down to my kids and/or grandkids many years down the road, and when that day comes I'd like for them to not look like I dipped them in motor oil, then sand, then ran them over with a truck.

[milotrain]

Clean with a good bore cleaner. CLP and Rem Oil are fine for short days at the range and intermediate cleanings and oiling, but you've got to get in there good on a regular basis.

Why? What are you "getting in there" to do? What are you trying to remove? What accuracy are you seeing lost? The VAST majority of people overclean, and the VAST majority can't shoot to the accuracy of their firearm so what does the "clean every visit and deep-clean every xxx rounds" get you?


I've shot my best groups from my AR with 500 or more rounds on the rifle with no cleaning.

[vanillagurilla]

After my first few trips to the range I was trying to make the inside of my rifle look new every time, this is not a reality it seems lol. Now I just wipes down the bcg good, scrape and clean the firing pin and bolt well enough, run a boresnake down the tube twice, lube with 10w40 and away you go! Only place I see solvents needed would be a really carboned up bcg or a barrel that hasn't been cleaned at all in 2000 rounds. I like the seafood idea and I'll be trying ot next time but regular 10w40 motor oil is a great lube. Doesn't have to be 10w40 either.

[business]

Actually it DOESN'T!

That's why everyone that can buys aftermarket cleaning supplies. I started the Marines with RBC and LSA which worked GREAT but after CLP came along it was a MAJOR pain to get a weapon inspection ready with it.

This.

A few years after I joined I finally wised up and figured I could use whatever cheap lowest bidder crap the military issued me, or I could spend a couple bucks on something nicer and be in and out of the armory after the range in about 10 minutes. There are far more effective cleaners out there, and there are better things to do with the finite time in my life than sitting under the awning of the armory for hours on end trying to make inspection.

[Click Boom]

As many veterans have stated above, you can keep your weapon clean and running with CLP. The typical cleaning supplies in our armory were CLP, dirty rags, and lots of the envelope sized M16 cleaning kits with various odds and ends, pipe cleaners, and grungy q-tips. Not ideal, but it kept the weapons clean.

On the other hand, some of the Calguns Operators (Tier 1, Tip of the spear) will refuse to use low-grade stuff like this. When they are heading downrange for a mission (i.e. driving their Camry to the indoor range), they will insist on only the most cutting edge high end cleaning supplies.

Failure is not an option.

[Click Boom]

Pulled from your own post in another thread "Ad hominem attacks and personal insults are usually a sure sign that someone's argument is running out of gas"

I am not being a tier 1 operator. Everything I have said is correct from a physics/chemistry standpoint. I harbor no ill will towards the military, but acting like as a citizen I am a looser because I don't adhere to what you were taught is just ridiculous.

I am just trying to dispel rumors and help elevate peoples understanding of what's really going on inside of our guns. If you understood just how many hours and how many customers guns I have tested out, you wouldn't be so quick to brush off my suggestions.

Also, gotta love the typical calguns ego crap of making fun of someone who drives a Toyota camry. So its cool to make fun of people with less money and or people who decide to drive economical vehicles? Your only a real man if you drive a pickup truck, and use CLP on your guns.

And people wonder why pro gunners aren't more popular. People like you with your close minded drivel do more to damage our image than a room full of anti-gunners.

I think it went over your head.

[essjay]

I have a full-on AR-15 cleaning kit, including a bore mop and a BCG cleaning tool. I used it once.

Instead, I get the job done with shop towels, a Boresnake Viper, and Breakfree CLP. Half the time I just run the snake through wet a few times and spray some CLP on the BCG through the ejection port. 3500+ rounds and no failures, so I can't complain.

[bigbearbear]

I like the seafood idea and I'll be trying ot next time but regular 10w40 motor oil is a great lube. Doesn't have to be 10w40 either.

You'll be cleaning your guns with calamari? Let us know how that turns out brah!

[CandG]

You'll be cleaning your guns with calamari? Let us know how that turns out brah!

[business]

If it works just fine for the Marines, what else needs to be said.


http://www.tecom.marines.mil/Portals...Manual/m16.doc

Army as well...its all I ever used for over 20+ years.

Dave

Not to bust anyones balls, but I always get annoyed when I hear people say things like "It works in Iraqistan" or "the military uses it, so it must be good." I've always wanted to know the how and why. Like when LAPD SWAT bought a bunch of 1911s in .45 because they saw Force doing it...even though there are WAY better pistols in .45 for way cheaper.

Issued CLP is only mediocre as a cleaner. It does work, and it takes FOREVER. I always thought it was retarded to have an oily mess inside my rifle, and the method taught for cleaning it was to add MORE oil. Didn't make any sense. I finally broke down and bought some spray solvent. It made my life a million times easier, and I was turning in my weapon/out of the armory after the rifle range in 15 minutes tops.

Ok, rant over!

[fritztkatt]

Most of these idiots have an issue because they scrub stuff that isn't dirty (like the side of the reciever), instead of under the bolt catch or the bcg rail right inside the ejection port. They don't take the hand guards off...

It's a game, people are stupid. Clp isn't the issue, but it doesn't help either. I enjoy cleaning my rifle. Especially when I was a pfc... that's an easy 2 hours I'm not doing other stupid stuff. "Oh no, make me stand around and BS... jokes on me right?" Cleaning a rifle and pushing a broom are the 2 easiest, least demanding tasks that a marine can be assigned. As long as you look busy, you'll be left alone.

[static2126]

I have a Glock with over 10k rounds on it. All I use is slip 2000 for both cleaning and lube

[fritztkatt]

I should add that I tried mpro7 for the first time last night. Had it on my g19 and put 150rds of ppu ball through it. Usually I just use clp. I kind of liked the mpro because even after having been baked off (I was doing a lot of rapid firing), it was still very slick but not gummy.

In operation I didn't notice a difference. I will admit one fteject on my part. I'm 100% that it was a limp wrist.

I didn't notice anything different when I cleaned the pistol later. I still cleaned with clp, wiped dry then applied mpro as if it was clp.

[business]

Especially when I was a pfc... that's an easy 2 hours I'm not doing other stupid stuff. "Oh no, make me stand around and BS... jokes on me right?" Cleaning a rifle and pushing a broom are the 2 easiest, least demanding tasks that a marine can be assigned. As long as you look busy, you'll be left alone.

To each his own I guess. When I was a Pfc I was stationed in 29, so being anywhere outside was miserable as piss. I made Sgt after 3 years, and was pretty much ofp after I took care of business (liking cleaning my gat if it was dirty ).