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  • Bizob
    Member
    • Nov 2008
    • 119

    A couple of noob questions

    Pardon me if this isn't posted in the correct sub-forum but I have a few questions regarding my AR-15 OLL. I am currently in the process of my build and this will be my first firearm. I am 23 years old, and have always been a very firm believer in 2A rights and formed my opinion on citizens rights to bear arms in my very young formative years (I think it had to do with the fact that history was one of my favorite subjects in school). I am the first one in my family to be a gun owner in many generations and I am not close to anybody that is gun owner on a personal level. I have done quite a bit of research on legal & safety issues but still have a few questions.

    1. When transporting your OLL to the range, does the rifle have to be in a locked case and does a gun lock have to be in-place?

    2. Does ammunition have to be transported in a separate section of the vehicle. i.e. rifle in the trunk , ammo in the passenger compartment.

    3. Do you carry any paperwork in your gun case with you such as a copy of your DROS. My dealer handed me a 10 page packet of legal documents such memos from the DOJ and legality of OLL that I placed in one of the pockets of the gun case, I am planning on printing out the flow chart, laminating it, and placing it in the case also. Do you have recomendations of maybe specific penal code I carry also.

    4. I have been to a gun range once to go shooting with my Dads friend, but is there a guide to range etiquette and safety I could read somewhere.

    5. Is there a good video tutorial somewhere regarding the operation of an AR-15. Items of interest to me include how to properly load a magazine, how to clear the chamber of a live round, how to leave the action open (I know some ranges require a cease fire and the chamber be clear with the action left open.

    Sorry for the "noobness" but along with my firm belief in 2A rights comes my number one concern which is safety. Also if I were to be pulled over on my way to the range I would like to be prepared for any issues that may arise if the LEO were to try and hassle me. I learned a lot about my firearm by putting my lower together and am still waiting on my upper but want to soak up more knowledge.

    Thank you calguns members
  • #2
    69Mach1
    Super Moderator
    CGN Contributor - Lifetime
    • Jan 2006
    • 15032

    Originally posted by Bizob
    Pardon me if this isn't posted in the correct sub-forum but I have a few questions regarding my AR-15 OLL. I am currently in the process of my build and this will be my first firearm. I am 23 years old, and have always been a very firm believer in 2A rights and formed my opinion on citizens rights to bear arms in my very young formative years (I think it had to do with the fact that history was one of my favorite subjects in school). I am the first one in my family to be a gun owner in many generations and I am not close to anybody that is gun owner on a personal level. I have done quite a bit of research on legal & safety issues but still have a few questions.

    1. When transporting your OLL to the range, does the rifle have to be in a locked case and does a gun lock have to be in-place?
    Only registered Assault Weapons and handguns are required to be in a locked container. All firearms have to be unloaded while transporting.
    http://www.ag.ca.gov/firearms/travel.php


    2. Does ammunition have to be transported in a separate section of the vehicle. i.e. rifle in the trunk , ammo in the passenger compartment.
    No. Just make sure the firearm is not loaded.
    http://www.chp.ca.gov/html/answers.html#05


    3. Do you carry any paperwork in your gun case with you such as a copy of your DROS. My dealer handed me a 10 page packet of legal documents such memos from the DOJ and legality of OLL that I placed in one of the pockets of the gun case, I am planning on printing out the flow chart, laminating it, and placing it in the case also. Do you have recomendations of maybe specific penal code I carry also.
    Good idea and doesn't hurt.
    Here's a great document to have with you.
    http://www.hoffmang.com/firearms/Sac...2008-11-18.pdf


    4. I have been to a gun range once to go shooting with my Dads friend, but is there a guide to range etiquette and safety I could read somewhere.
    http://www.nrahq.org/education/guide.asp
    Range rules require you to point in a safe direction at all times. Unload when a cease fire is called, stand behind the line when others are changing targets during the cease fire, and usually a rule about seconds between shots.


    5. Is there a good video tutorial somewhere regarding the operation of an AR-15. Items of interest to me include how to properly load a magazine, how to clear the chamber of a live round, how to leave the action open (I know some ranges require a cease fire and the chamber be clear with the action left open.
    Not a video, but easy to follow.
    http://www.ar15.com/content/manuals/...bushmaster.pdf


    Sorry for the "noobness" but along with my firm belief in 2A rights comes my number one concern which is safety. Also if I were to be pulled over on my way to the range I would like to be prepared for any issues that may arise if the LEO were to try and hassle me. I learned a lot about my firearm by putting my lower together and am still waiting on my upper but want to soak up more knowledge.

    Thank you calguns members
    There you go.
    Last edited by 69Mach1; 11-28-2008, 12:24 AM.
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    • #3
      Bizob
      Member
      • Nov 2008
      • 119

      Originally posted by 69Mach1
      There you go.
      Thank you good sir. The document you posted under question 3 is absolutely awesome considering I live in Sacramento.

      P.S. awesome username, I am a fellow Ford enthusiast also

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      • #4
        69Mach1
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        • Jan 2006
        • 15032

        Your welcome. It's not just a user name.
        In regard to question number one. I do recommend that you have the guns locked in a container at all times while transporting because of the 1000ft rule regarding schools. A trunk is considered a locked container too.
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        • #5
          Bizob
          Member
          • Nov 2008
          • 119

          Originally posted by 69Mach1
          Your welcome. It's not just a user name.
          In regard to question number one. I do recommend that you have the guns locked in a container at all times while transporting because of the 1000ft rule regarding schools. A trunk is considered a locked container too.
          Awesome, off topic but here are some pics you might enjoy

          This is the actual Elanor that was in the photo-shoot with the Shleby Bike OCC made. The car is owned by a good friends father. He only has 250 miles in it and took me for a cruise when we went to Hot August Nights this year, That is me in the passenger seat before the crusie





          Me cruising in a Ford GT. Car is owned by another good friends dad. A supercharger 8 inches behind your head is quite an experience


          My ride

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          • #6
            69Mach1
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            • Jan 2006
            • 15032

            Thanks. Here's a link that you would like. Some pics I posted on Calguns awhile back. Knott's Ford car show.
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            • #7
              jfuller429
              Member
              • Nov 2008
              • 310

              I work at a Ford dealership, And let me tell you first hand, when a customer brings in his Ford GT and says "I hear a funny noise under hard acceleration" you jump at the chance to help him out. Those cars are a kick to drive! The only thing I dont like about it is backing it up (you cant see anything), but than why go backwards when you can go so fast forwards? Also going on the roadtests with CHP, when they say it handles funny in pursuits and makes you drive 120 w/ all the lights on down 880 @ 11 am is fun too.

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              • #8
                sorensen440
                Calguns Addict
                • Mar 2007
                • 8611

                Originally posted by Bizob
                1. When transporting your OLL to the range, does the rifle have to be in a locked case and does a gun lock have to be in-place?
                Nope rifles dont require locks they simply must be unloaded
                2. Does ammunition have to be transported in a separate section of the vehicle. i.e. rifle in the trunk , ammo in the passenger compartment.
                Nope just not in the firearm
                3. Do you carry any paperwork in your gun case with you such as a copy of your DROS. My dealer handed me a 10 page packet of legal documents such memos from the DOJ and legality of OLL that I placed in one of the pockets of the gun case, I am planning on printing out the flow chart, laminating it, and placing it in the case also. Do you have recomendations of maybe specific penal code I carry also.
                I dont but some do
                4. I have been to a gun range once to go shooting with my Dads friend, but is there a guide to range etiquette and safety I could read somewhere.
                The ranges I have been to have the rules posted on there website
                5. Is there a good video tutorial somewhere regarding the operation of an AR-15. Items of interest to me include how to properly load a magazine, how to clear the chamber of a live round, how to leave the action open (I know some ranges require a cease fire and the chamber be clear with the action left open.
                A better option might be to go shooting with someone (Lots of calgunners with OLL's in the Sac area) and have them run through it with you
                ...
                "I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it." - Thomas Jefferson

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                • #9
                  drewg13
                  Senior Member
                  • Apr 2008
                  • 885

                  Originally posted by sorensen440
                  1. When transporting your OLL to the range, does the rifle have to be in a locked case and does a gun lock have to be in-place?
                  Nope rifles dont require locks they simply must be unloaded
                  While this is technically correct. I always transport my OLL in a locked case. Just in case I get stopped for some reason. I consider it to be one more hurdle that may prevent LEOs from getting to see my guns. "No officer I do not consent to any searches." Just my own paranoia I guess.

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                  • #10
                    Digital_Hate
                    Senior Member
                    • Oct 2007
                    • 578

                    correct me if im wrong. but if its a fixed mag setup a empty mag must be in the magwell at all times even when transporting (except when you shooting of course).

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                    • #11
                      aplinker
                      I need a LIFE!!
                      • Feb 2007
                      • 16762

                      Originally posted by drewg13
                      While this is technically correct. I always transport my OLL in a locked case. Just in case I get stopped for some reason. I consider it to be one more hurdle that may prevent LEOs from getting to see my guns. "No officer I do not consent to any searches." Just my own paranoia I guess.
                      Wouldn't matter.

                      As soon as they identify it as a rifle case they are legally allowed to inspect to make sure it's unloaded.

                      Carrying in the trunk is the way to make sure it won't be checked out.

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                      • #12
                        Bizob
                        Member
                        • Nov 2008
                        • 119

                        Originally posted by jfuller429
                        I work at a Ford dealership, And let me tell you first hand, when a customer brings in his Ford GT and says "I hear a funny noise under hard acceleration" you jump at the chance to help him out. Those cars are a kick to drive! The only thing I dont like about it is backing it up (you cant see anything), but than why go backwards when you can go so fast forwards? Also going on the roadtests with CHP, when they say it handles funny in pursuits and makes you drive 120 w/ all the lights on down 880 @ 11 am is fun too.
                        The car is simply bad-arse. I love how when you sit in it it feels like your butt is dragging 2 inches above the pavement.

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                        • #13
                          drewg13
                          Senior Member
                          • Apr 2008
                          • 885

                          Originally posted by uclaplinker
                          Wouldn't matter.

                          As soon as they identify it as a rifle case they are legally allowed to inspect to make sure it's unloaded.

                          Carrying in the trunk is the way to make sure it won't be checked out.
                          Yeah, I always transport everything in the trunk. I guess is just that my level of comfort dictates I keep all guns in locked cases.

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                          • #14
                            drewg13
                            Senior Member
                            • Apr 2008
                            • 885

                            Originally posted by Digital_Hate
                            correct me if im wrong. but if its a fixed mag setup a empty mag must be in the magwell at all times even when transporting (except when you shooting of course).
                            I don't believe there is a requirement for this as having a bullet button installed equals having a firearm that always does not have the capability of accepting a detachable mag no matter what.

                            With that said I do leave an empty mag in as I believe it more clearly shows that the firearm has a non-detachable mag.

                            Perhaps some of the lawyers on this board can chime in.

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