Overall length?

[Bansh88]

I did a quick search but nothing solid...

What is the overall length needed to be legal?
Is a folding stock still ok with the overall length being met in folded configuration?
Is an attached bayonet really considered part of the overall length? (sounds like BS but seen it mentioned a few times)

[readysetgo]

CA Semiauto Ban(AW)ID Flowchart

[tisk tisk]

[LeadFarmer74]

Overall length in CA is 30". That is in it's shortest configuration ie folded. Overall length does not have to be permanent but follow the laws. I used a amd brake to get my ak to be able to fold. A bayonet is another option and so is an extended sling mount. Good luck.

[Bansh88]

Beauty. Thanks for the link above, shoulda went with that first. A buddy was questioning the folding stock even with a legal Overall.

Very cool on the bayonet. I figured it had to be like barrel length (permanent)

[munkeeboi]

order of install/removal is also very important to keep in mind

make sure you all well over 30" with bullet button before removing the mechanism that locks your folding stock.

same thing with removing the method of extension to get 30" OAL while folded. make sure the stock is locked open before removing extension.

at no point do you ever want a gun that has a folding stock that is under 30" OAL while folded.

[Quiet]

In regards to using a bayonet to meet the minimum overall length requirement...

CA case law [People v Rooney (1993) & People v Stinson (1970)]...
"... the court held that it best met the legislative purpose of the statute to determine the "overall length" of a rifle by measuring in a single straight line, either from the tip of the barrel to the back of the stock or from the tip of the barrel to a point just above the back of the stock..."

I know of some CA LEOs that are being instructed to remove such items (bayonets) for "storage and transport" before measuring for OAL and that they are told it's legal to remove those items for measurement because they are not a part of the barrel.

[ar15barrels]

What is the overall length needed to be legal?
Is a folding stock still ok with the overall length being met in folded configuration?

30" for centerfire semi-autos.
26" for rimfires and non-semi-autos.
Length is measured in shortest "firing" configuration.

[bohoki]

my question is convoluted but what if it doesn't have a stock?

16" barrel,26 inches over all length, pistol buffer tube pistol grip and detachable magazine


what is this firearm?

[Junkie]

my question is convoluted but what if it doesn't have a stock?

16" barrel,26 inches over all length, pistol buffer tube pistol grip and detachable magazine


what is this firearm?

Whatever it is, it isn't an AR an AR with 16" barrel and car/pistol tube is >30" even with no muzzle device.

I suspect it would be an other as it isn't designed to fire from the shoulder, but I'd rather not take the risk of an LEO not knowing legality.

[BigPimping]

30" for centerfire semi-autos.
26" for rimfires and non-semi-autos.
Length is measured in shortest "firing" configuration.

Simple and concise. Thanks Randall.

[ar15barrels]

my question is convoluted but what if it doesn't have a stock?

16" barrel,26 inches over all length, pistol buffer tube pistol grip and detachable magazine

what is this firearm?

That is a title 1 firearm.

It is neither a pistol, a rifle, an SBR or an AOW.
Has to be under 26" to be a pistol or an AOW.
Barrel has to be under 16" and have a stock to be a SBR.
Has to have a stock to be a rifle.