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Ok guys and gals I just want to share these FACTS that were posted on another forum.
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These are an aggregate of some pertinent info posted in a couple threads on another site, this is info from Henderson Defense in Vegas, they run a large full-auto shooting range, where you can rent all manner of fun-switch rifles, AK's, AR's, MP5's etc. This is true testing, unlike most of the nonsense posted to youtube and failbook . The portions in bold print are my doing, just wanted to underscore them as particularly important.
Some Arsenal fans may want to NOT read this as it sheds some good light on that "buy once, cry once" BS some yowl about while trying to crap on WASR's, also Yugo guys as it's adding to some concerns about the recent N-pap imports.
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"I've read a couple threads about "abusing" AK's and I haven't seen anything that's "real world" abuse."
"We are shooting close to 400,000 rounds on the range monthly right now."
"The AK is the most reliable"
"Every single stamped receiver has suffered from a cracked trunion. This includes Saiga, Arsenal (Bulgarian), Norinco (Chinese), Arsenal (Russian stamped), WASR, Hungarian, Polish (vintage kits), Yugo (vintage and PAP-series) and new Polish (from Royal Tiger imports). "
"US (Century), Bulgarian and Chinese milled receivers have yet to fail. "
" We have yet to shoot out a factory WASR barrel."
"We have WASR's on the line that have last OVER two and half years and the barrels are NOT shot out and they continue to run. We installed new bolts to bring headspace back up but they keep running. "
"This may sound crazy but it's fair to say that they finally suffer a catastrophic failure (cracked trunion) at 80,000-100,000 rounds. Also, we have WASR's that have suffered a catastrophic failure and we just pull out the old trunion and barrel, grab one from a parts kit, re-rivet, re-barrel and get them up and running. "
"The one thing I can say about the AK's is that they hold up MUCH BETTER than the RPD's. I thought for sure that RPD's would last so much longer because of the milled receivers but the receivers only last about half the life (if that) of a Romanian WASR."
"We only used the N-PAP's on the range and they failed miserably in a short amount of time. It appears, in my opinion, that the receivers were not heat-treated correctly and they cracked. "
"After the other N-PAP's had issues we pulled them all. I am in no way saying that all Serbian weapons are prone to this or the older Yugos are of the same quality. I just know what happened to our rifles and we can't risk the liability of a catastrophic failure on the range. I know Century imports them and don't cast any fault on them either because all of the WASR's we get from them have all been home-run's. "
"We put three of the original milled C39's on the line when they first came out and they have all been pulled because the barrels keyhole."
"I know some folks REALLY think that "their" brand of lubes and cleaners are the best but I can tell you that, in OUR experience, they have all worked about the same."
"I can tell you from our experience that an AK will outlast an AR on our range. We use what I feel are high quality bolts (Daniel Defense and LMT) and they have about an 8-month life span. The bolts will start skipping over rounds and fail to feed when they are close to the end. We still get bolts that will shear lugs and run (not that we purposely do that) but at the end of the shift when weapons get inspected, they will see missing lugs and pull the weapon from the line. "
*EDIT* Forgot to add this gem, so much for another BS myth:
Q: " Ron, do you guys have any piston AR's in your stable?"
A: "We had plenty of them and EVERY single one of them has had an issue. Pistons broke, barrels keyholed, cam pins sheared and springs snapped. "
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These are an aggregate of some pertinent info posted in a couple threads on another site, this is info from Henderson Defense in Vegas, they run a large full-auto shooting range, where you can rent all manner of fun-switch rifles, AK's, AR's, MP5's etc. This is true testing, unlike most of the nonsense posted to youtube and failbook . The portions in bold print are my doing, just wanted to underscore them as particularly important.
Some Arsenal fans may want to NOT read this as it sheds some good light on that "buy once, cry once" BS some yowl about while trying to crap on WASR's, also Yugo guys as it's adding to some concerns about the recent N-pap imports.
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"I've read a couple threads about "abusing" AK's and I haven't seen anything that's "real world" abuse."
"We are shooting close to 400,000 rounds on the range monthly right now."
"The AK is the most reliable"
"Every single stamped receiver has suffered from a cracked trunion. This includes Saiga, Arsenal (Bulgarian), Norinco (Chinese), Arsenal (Russian stamped), WASR, Hungarian, Polish (vintage kits), Yugo (vintage and PAP-series) and new Polish (from Royal Tiger imports). "
"US (Century), Bulgarian and Chinese milled receivers have yet to fail. "
" We have yet to shoot out a factory WASR barrel."
"We have WASR's on the line that have last OVER two and half years and the barrels are NOT shot out and they continue to run. We installed new bolts to bring headspace back up but they keep running. "
"This may sound crazy but it's fair to say that they finally suffer a catastrophic failure (cracked trunion) at 80,000-100,000 rounds. Also, we have WASR's that have suffered a catastrophic failure and we just pull out the old trunion and barrel, grab one from a parts kit, re-rivet, re-barrel and get them up and running. "
"The one thing I can say about the AK's is that they hold up MUCH BETTER than the RPD's. I thought for sure that RPD's would last so much longer because of the milled receivers but the receivers only last about half the life (if that) of a Romanian WASR."
"We only used the N-PAP's on the range and they failed miserably in a short amount of time. It appears, in my opinion, that the receivers were not heat-treated correctly and they cracked. "
"After the other N-PAP's had issues we pulled them all. I am in no way saying that all Serbian weapons are prone to this or the older Yugos are of the same quality. I just know what happened to our rifles and we can't risk the liability of a catastrophic failure on the range. I know Century imports them and don't cast any fault on them either because all of the WASR's we get from them have all been home-run's. "
"We put three of the original milled C39's on the line when they first came out and they have all been pulled because the barrels keyhole."
"I know some folks REALLY think that "their" brand of lubes and cleaners are the best but I can tell you that, in OUR experience, they have all worked about the same."
"I can tell you from our experience that an AK will outlast an AR on our range. We use what I feel are high quality bolts (Daniel Defense and LMT) and they have about an 8-month life span. The bolts will start skipping over rounds and fail to feed when they are close to the end. We still get bolts that will shear lugs and run (not that we purposely do that) but at the end of the shift when weapons get inspected, they will see missing lugs and pull the weapon from the line. "
*EDIT* Forgot to add this gem, so much for another BS myth:
Q: " Ron, do you guys have any piston AR's in your stable?"
A: "We had plenty of them and EVERY single one of them has had an issue. Pistons broke, barrels keyholed, cam pins sheared and springs snapped. "
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