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  • Sentient
    Junior Member
    • Nov 2008
    • 40

    Variation in accuracy?

    What would make a rifle more or less accurate than another of the same make and model out of the box? Is it common to get some variation in brand new weapons, or do they tend to be more or less uniform from a reliable company?
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    buffybuster
    Veteran Member
    • Oct 2005
    • 2615

    Manufacturing variance.

    Tooling wear and tolerance stack effects the accuracy.
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    • #3
      5hundo
      Banned
      • Jun 2008
      • 2210

      Unfortunately, nothing you would be able to detect with the naked eye... (unless there is an obvious defect)

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      • #4
        Fjold
        I need a LIFE!!
        • Oct 2005
        • 22786

        Unfortunately you are dealing with everything from the tolerences of the mill where the barrel steel comes from. The mood of the person loading the barrel blanks and action blanks into the CNC lathe and boring machines. The reamer maker and how much that reamer has been used, the threading tool wear, all the way through whether it's Friday afternoon or Monday morning.

        Thousands of variations come into account.
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        • #5
          Sentient
          Junior Member
          • Nov 2008
          • 40

          Generally speaking, do you think they tend to be all pretty similar?

          I am about to purchase a used Saiga from a member on this site, but I was just curious about variance in quality and accuracy.

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          • #6
            gunboat
            Veteran Member
            • Apr 2008
            • 3288

            If you are worried about accuracy, shoot before buying --

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            • #7
              Sentient
              Junior Member
              • Nov 2008
              • 40

              Thats probably not possible, since shipping is involved.

              I believe this person is honest, I just was curious about how much variation there tends to be.

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              • #8
                ironcross
                Senior Member
                • Apr 2008
                • 726

                Well we cant read your mind.

                It sounds like you know what you want.

                So spill the beans, whats the specs??
                I'm not a LEO nor Lawyer, none of what I say can nor should be used as legal advice.

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                • #9
                  buffybuster
                  Veteran Member
                  • Oct 2005
                  • 2615

                  Originally posted by Sentient
                  Generally speaking, do you think they tend to be all pretty similar?

                  I am about to purchase a used Saiga from a member on this site, but I was just curious about variance in quality and accuracy.
                  Saiga (AK47 type rifles) are not precision weapons. Every AK that I have had my hands on were all "battle" accurate and the tolerances are lose enough that they are reliable. If it is stock and not modified, they will be reliable and minute of steel plate accurate.
                  Luck favors the prepared.

                  The original battle plan did not survive initial contact with the enemy.

                  "The things that will destroy America are prosperity at any price, peace at any price, safety first instead of duty first, the love of soft living and the get rich quick theory of life." -Theodore Roosevelt

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                  • #10
                    nobs11
                    Banned
                    • Jun 2008
                    • 1381

                    Originally posted by buffybuster
                    Saiga (AK47 type rifles) are not precision weapons. Every AK that I have had my hands on were all "battle" accurate and the tolerances are lose enough that they are reliable. If it is stock and not modified, they will be reliable and minute of steel plate accurate.
                    Haha, yes. This question is moot if you are buying a spray and pray gun (sorry, exaggerating a bit). As far as I know, Saigas are put together by low wage workers with basic tools from mass produced parts.

                    If you are buying a precision rifle that is guaranteed sub 0.5 MOA, you might want to look at who is doing the guaranteeing and what their reputation and standards are.

                    Tons of variables in factory rifles. Most "precision" factory guns (Savage, Remington 700) will do 0.75 to 1MOA consistently. But you might end up with a lemon that shoots 1.5MOA or a winner that consistently shoots 0.5-0.75MOA if you do your part (this is very important. Very few shooters can shoot the same groups on any two days even if all other conditions are the same. Practice makes it better).

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                    • #11
                      aplinker
                      I need a LIFE!!
                      • Feb 2007
                      • 16762

                      Saigas are Saigas. There won't be an issue with accuracy of the rifle beyond what the typical ammo can shoot, anyways (unless you reload).

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                      • #12
                        Artery
                        Member
                        • Oct 2008
                        • 280

                        Originally posted by gunboat
                        If you are worried about accuracy, shoot before buying --
                        If you are worried about accuracy don't buy a Saiga.
                        Long time Garand shooter, recent AR convert
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