Is the Magpul PRS stock a "collapsible stock"

[eltee]

The Magpul PRS stock has an adjustable buttplate, and the stock is more for marksmanship than "tactical" or "assault" use. Does California consider this a collapsible stock and therefore an AW component? The body of the stock does not slide back and forth as they do on typical collapsible stock designs, it looks as if only the buttplate itself can be adjusted. Thanks for any input.

[trinydex]

you can actually search for the threads on this, there are several. the answer is no, but check those threads to be sure.

[Mississippi]

No it is not

[Josh3239]

Not it isn't because the stock doesn't collapse, the buttpad does (if you even call such a thing "collapsible").

[Ballistic043]

collapsible? no. adjustable? yes.

[Paratus et Vigilans]

I would argue that it is not a collapsible stock, but the most conservative position is to not risk it if that would be the only questionable item on an otherwise featureless build. It's one of those questions that, sadly, does not have a clear answer here in CA.

[X-NewYawker]

It says "telescoping or folding stock. You spin the wheel on the PRS stock -- and it extends. I don't think that's legal, boys.

[Paratus et Vigilans]

XNY is correct on the statutory language, and that's the rub. "Telescoping." I think the intent of the law is to ban stocks that get shorter so the weapon can be more readily concealed. On a PRS, the shortest position of the butt plate is just a hair under the length of a standard A2 stock, and it just gets longer from there, not shorter. However, when it gets longer, it arguably does so by "telescoping." So, the conservative position is not to risk it.

[Josh3239]

It says "telescoping or folding stock. You spin the wheel on the PRS stock -- and it extends. I don't think that's legal, boys.

I completely disagree. The regulations only applies to the actual stock assembly retracting, the PRS stock itself is fixed - it never moves around the buffer tube. The comb and buttpad is adjustable.

If you guys actually consider a PRS a retractable stock I'd also suggest you stay away from any sort of buttpads that aren't "permanently" attached. While where at it the trapdoor in an A2 stock makes the rifle longer so by definition that must be a retractable stock as well

[5hundo]

I really wish there was some clear guidance on this. I would REALLY like to use a Magpul for my build, but I don't want to risk my rifle over it and I don't want to use a bullet button...

[X-NewYawker]

I completely disagree. The regulations only applies to the actual stock assembly retracting, the PRS stock itself is fixed - it never moves around the buffer tube. The comb and buttpad is adjustable.

If you guys actually consider a PRS a retractable stock I'd also suggest you stay away from any sort of buttpads that aren't "permanently" attached. While where at it the trapdoor in an A2 stock makes the rifle longer so by definition that must be a retractable stock as well

The Butt pad extends because the STOCK has a mechanism to extend it. Nowhere in the AWB rules does it say anything about the "actual stock" moving -- it says a telescoping or folding stock." telescoping can mean "get longer" I have always considered the PRS a GREAT stock -- but one that can only go on a BB or PRince 50 gun.

[JagerTroop]

I completely disagree. The regulations only applies to the actual stock assembly retracting, the PRS stock itself is fixed - it never moves around the buffer tube. The comb and buttpad is adjustable.

If you guys actually consider a PRS a retractable stock I'd also suggest you stay away from any sort of buttpads that aren't "permanently" attached. While where at it the trapdoor in an A2 stock makes the rifle longer so by definition that must be a retractable stock as well

I'm with ya on this one Josh.

I think the same people that can't comprehend the difference between "attachable magazine" and "DEtachable magazine" are the same ones that will jam you up for a "collapsable" PRS stock. So you're screwed either way.

I say, run it. The stock itself is not folding, retractable, or telescoping. Hell, it's BARELY adjustable.

[5hundo]

I completely disagree. The regulations only applies to the actual stock assembly retracting, the PRS stock itself is fixed - it never moves around the buffer tube. The comb and buttpad is adjustable.

If you guys actually consider a PRS a retractable stock I'd also suggest you stay away from any sort of buttpads that aren't "permanently" attached. While where at it the trapdoor in an A2 stock makes the rifle longer so by definition that must be a retractable stock as well

I understand the arguments for, and against. I'm just not so sure that you're going to be able to "sell" that to a cop if he pulls you over with the rifle in the car...

To me, it's not worth the risk, until a legal precident is set, or a ruling is made...

...and I'd rather not be the one who has to sue someone to set the precident.

[Paratus et Vigilans]

I completely disagree. The regulations only applies to the actual stock assembly retracting, the PRS stock itself is fixed - it never moves around the buffer tube. The comb and buttpad is adjustable.

If you guys actually consider a PRS a retractable stock I'd also suggest you stay away from any sort of buttpads that aren't "permanently" attached. While where at it the trapdoor in an A2 stock makes the rifle longer so by definition that must be a retractable stock as well

The trouble is, the word in the statute (it's not part of the regs) is "telescoping" and there is no definition in the statute or the regs for what comprises the "stock." So whether or not it's retractable or collapsible or gets longer or shorter really isn't the legal issue - it's whether or not any part of it telescopes, and I have to say that one could reasonably interpret the way the PRS stock functions as telescoping. As much as we have taken advantage of how the law is written on "detachable magazine" one must also take into consideration how the law is written when the issue is a "telescoping" stock, and be wary of how it might be interpreted against the PRS stock.

I'm not saying you're wrong and I'm right. I'm saying that there's no clear guidance on this point in the statute or the regs and there has been no case I'm aware of that has addressed the question, even at the trial level. So, if you want to be the test case, by all means, have at it!

[JagerTroop]

The Butt pad extends because the STOCK has a mechanism to extend it. Nowhere in the AWB rules does it say anything about the "actual stock" moving -- it says a telescoping or folding stock."

Well, you had better get rid of your Cal. legal 10rd mags. Large/High capacity mags are defined as "any feeding device with the
capacity to accept more than ten rounds, and I guarantee I can fit more than 10 rounds of .22 into your .223 mag (ah ha, nowhere in th PC does it say that it be limited to 10rds of the caliber for which it was designed, or that it must actually feed them )