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  • mr2.0
    Senior Member
    • Oct 2005
    • 633

    Hydraulic Buffer

    Anyone here using a hydraulic buffer on the ar? If you're using one, pls give me some opinions about it. Thanks
  • #2
    BigAL
    Senior Member
    • Oct 2005
    • 832

    I gave the Enidine hydraulic buffer a try in my AR. It worked OK and I never had the failure to lock back with weaker ammo that some have reported. Didn't notice a big difference in muzzle rise. My AR is fairly heavy so maybe it would work better with a lighter gun. Just switched back to the H buffer as I also noticed a few rust spots on the body of the enidine and decided I didn't need the extra complication in my gun.

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    • #3
      C.G.
      Calguns Addict
      • Oct 2005
      • 8163

      Originally posted by mr2.0
      Anyone here using a hydraulic buffer on the ar? If you're using one, pls give me some opinions about it. Thanks
      I have an MGI buffer on my .50 Beowulf, works great for that one. Having said that, I would not put one on a 5.56, don't see the need for one.
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      • #4
        Centurion_D
        Senior Member
        • Nov 2005
        • 1983

        Originally posted by BigAL
        I gave the Enidine hydraulic buffer a try in my AR. It worked OK and I never had the failure to lock back with weaker ammo that some have reported. Didn't notice a big difference in muzzle rise. My AR is fairly heavy so maybe it would work better with a lighter gun. Just switched back to the H buffer as I also noticed a few rust spots on the body of the enidine and decided I didn't need the extra complication in my gun.
        I have a problem with the bolt locking back with weaker ammo..that was exactly the reason why I was considering on trying out a Endine hybraulic buffer. But BigAL..you have rust on your endine? That really sucks..I wonder if there are other companies that make hydraulic buffers.

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        • #5
          Mudvayne540ld
          Member
          • Jun 2006
          • 339

          you will only really need this in an automatic SBR

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          • #6
            bwiese
            I need a LIFE!!
            • Oct 2005
            • 27621

            • A 5.56/223 AR should work fine with stock buffers (not even a heavy buffer).

            • Don't put 'fancy' parts in the operating path of your rifle at first. Only put them on for a reason. The M16/AR15 design has 40 years of development history and works fine for 99% of folks. Most AR 'improvements' are equivalent of extra chrome on your fenders.

            • If the AR is having cycling problems w/certain ammo it could be crap ammo (Royal Ordnance 62gr SS109 designed for lame-assed Brit SA80, for example). Any AR should run OK with Win whitebox, Rem/UMC yellow box, or Fed Amer Eagle 55gr ammo. (There have been reports of problems w/some lots of plain Q3131 ammo as opposed to Q3131A ammo which is M193 equivalent.)

            • For cycling problems w/other ammo it could be poor gas flow (misaligned gas block, gas leak at front, gas leak due to loose carrier key) or poor lubrication (bolt, carrier, etc.). Sometimes lousy mags cause bolt-drag on mag lips, slowing carrier traversal in each direction, so see if a quality mag makes a difference.

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            San Jose, CA

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            • #7
              PIRATE14
              Veteran Member
              • Dec 2005
              • 3189

              Originally posted by bwiese
              • A 5.56/223 AR should work fine with stock buffers (not even a heavy buffer).
              • If the AR is having cycling problems w/certain ammo it could be crap ammo (Royal Ordnance 62gr SS109 designed for lame-assed Brit SA80, for example). Any AR should run OK with Win whitebox, Rem/UMC yellow box, or Fed Amer Eagle 55gr ammo. (There have been reports of problems w/some lots of plain Q3131 ammo as opposed to Q3131A ammo which is M193 equivalent.)
              Agree, go stock unless something is amiss, than look at all the std possibilites first.

              My rifles have choked down over 5000 rds of Royal ordance w/o a hiccup, maybe I got lucky.

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              • #8
                PistolKidd
                Member
                • Jan 2006
                • 198

                The MGI is much better/noticeable at reducing the recoil than the enidine... the enidine works but not nearly as well as the MGI.. If you do a pepsi challenge with all 3, then it's immediately clear who the winner is.. I shoot wolf, which is extremely underpowered and it's still noticeable at how well the MGI works... Admittedly, I havent shot any full power or mil-spec rounds yet so Im not sure how the buffers are going to perform under heavier loads..

                As for someone saying it's only useful for FA weapons, i'll just reply with "blah"... it works fine in my semi-auto at reducing recoil.. it has more purpose than just reducing the rate of fire in a full auto weapon.. and yes, I've used it in a full auto, and it does work.. you can get off single/double shots off extremely easy.. but I would rather have it than a standard or H buffer any day in my semi-auto..

                Also, as pirate and others have mentioned, i would not use it in a gun that hasnt been proven reliable.. the buffer interaction could potentially compound /exacerbate any problems you have in a rifle that was marginal to begin with..

                but yes, I own them and use the MGI in my AR.. it's not completely cheap, but for me, this is all just a hobby.. Im of the mindset to get what I can afford.. practicality has very little to do with any of these purchases..

                Ive only used cheap wolf 55 grain and my rifle has run fairly well, but admittedly, lock back has not been a problem at all.. again, YMMV..

                If you're interested in picking one up.. PM me.. I had a couple of new ones, but have since sold them off, but if you're interested, I can look into getting you a brand new for a decent price..
                Last edited by PistolKidd; 06-28-2006, 2:42 PM.

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                • #9
                  bu-bye
                  Veteran Member
                  • Oct 2005
                  • 2835

                  I really don't see why you need it. 5.56 is such a low recoil round and we don't have full-auto rilfe anyway. Here is a video of me shooting XM193 and M855 ammo as fast as I can with NO pistol grip but an SRB. As you can see in the video Its very easy to control the 5.56 round even under rapid fire and with no muzzle brake. I'm standing about 25 yards away and all shots are right on target.

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                  • #10
                    onley11
                    Member
                    • Jan 2006
                    • 224

                    Was that a black powder AR ? That was smokey!
                    Did you start a little clp fire in the fcg?

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                    • #11
                      bu-bye
                      Veteran Member
                      • Oct 2005
                      • 2835

                      Originally posted by onley11
                      Was that a black powder AR ? That was smokey!
                      Did you start a little clp fire in the fcg?
                      Nothing like the manly smell of burning CLP to start your day. MMMMM....... goes down smooth

                      No, I did not soak my barrel in CLP before the clip. It was just there from cleaning it a few weeks before.
                      "Calling an illegal alien a "undocumented worker" is like calling the drug dealer hanging around outside your kid's school an "unlicensed pharmacist."

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                      • #12
                        BigAL
                        Senior Member
                        • Oct 2005
                        • 832

                        Here's a pic of the rust. It's not bad pitted rust, just some surface rust that would wipe off with a light coat of CLP. I just wanted to give it a shot and see what I thought. Decided it wasn't really doing anything for me so I changed back to the H buffer.



                        and here's the gun I was using it in (not me in the pic).

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