newbie question

[rmanaseri]

is it the high capacity mag thats banned in california or is it the fact that its considered an evil feature thats banning it?

i ask because if a monster man grip is installed along with a bullet button, would a high cap mag be allowed?

im familiar with guns having been in the service, but just recently got into acquireing those which ive always wanted. still trying to decipher the rules on whats allowed and not allowed.

[Jicko]

do you have any high capacity magazines?

[asheron2]

do you have any high capacity magazines?

I dont believe that is a very apprpriate question, cause if he said yes you guys would just heckle him off the boards.

As for the Hi-cap mag, I believe the hicap magazines are banned themselves unless they are pre ban.

Putting a Hicap into an AR, even if it is CA legal, makes it an evil weapon, if the gun has the Bullet button in it, because the gun can now accept more than 10 rounds, even if your top loading.

[ohsmily]

I dont believe that is a very apprpriate question, cause if he said yes you guys would just heckle him off the boards. Why the hell would we heckle him off the board for owning high capacity magazines????!!!??

As for the Hi-cap mag, I believe the hicap magazines are banned themselves unless they are pre ban. NO, no magazines are banned.

Putting a Hicap into an AR, even if it is CA legal, makes it an evil weapon because the gun can now accept more than 10 rounds, even if your top loading.NO, NO, NO. If it is a featureless rifle, you can have a fully detachable magazine with no concern about magazine capacity.

Stop trying to help Asheron, until you understand the law yourself!!! You have dispensed two pieces of bad information/FUD.




10+ round mags are NOT evil features!! In fact, the detachable magazine feature is not "an evil feature." Rather, it is a feature that if present, subjects a rifle to 12776 and the evil feature game. Read the FLOW CHART. There is a link to it in the upper right portion of you forum screen.

If you build a featureless CA legal rifle, you can use high capacity magazine.

[Capt. Speirs]

My take on it is; if you own high-caps, leave 'em hidden and only bring 'em out when SHTF or you go out-of-state.

[asheron2]

Stop trying to help Asheron, until you understand the law yourself!!! You have dispensed two pieces of bad information/FUD. How many other people have you dispensed this bad info to???




10+ round mags are NOT evil features!! In fact, the detachable magazine feature is not "an evil feature." Rather, it is a feature that if present, subjects a rifle to 12776 and the evil feature game. Read the FLOW CHART. There is a link to it in the upper right portion of you forum screen.

If you build a featureless CA legal rifle, you can use high capacity magazine.

I appologize for the bad info i have edited my post again sry about that. Didnt read the monsterman Grip part

ARTICLE 2. UNLAWFUL CARRYING AND POSSESSION OF WEAPONS
12020. (a) Any person in this state who does any of the following is punishable by imprisonment in a county jail not exceeding one year or in the state prison:

(2) Commencing January 1, 2000, manufactures or causes to be manufactured, imports into the state, keeps for sale, or offers or exposes for sale, or who gives, or lends, any large-capacity magazine.

If that law is gone thats really awesome or if there is a loophole thats cool too.

[ohsmily]

My take on it is; if you own high-caps, leave 'em hidden and only bring 'em out when SHTF or you go out-of-state.

WHAT?!!? why???? I guess you should just leave your guns hidden and not take them out either until SHTF. There is NO LAW PROHIBITING POSSESSION of high capacity magazines. If you own them, use them. If they wear out, you can replace any and all parts of it to repair it.

Why would you leave a perfectly legal and useful/fun item hidden and never used?

[devildog999]

WHAT?!!? why???? I guess you should just leave your guns hidden and not take them out either until SHTF. There is NO LAW PROHIBITING POSSESSION of high capacity magazines. If you own them, use them. If they wear out, you can replace any and all parts of it to repair it.

Why would you leave a perfectly legal and useful/fun item hidden and never used?

Not the best info. He can only use hi cap mags if HE owned them BEFORE the 2000 ban. Otherwise he cannot have them. You are not even allowed to have them if you got them later even if not being used in a rifle. The only way you can is if they are disassembled (at least that part I am not 100% sure about)

[ohsmily]

Not the best info. He can only use hi cap mags if HE owned them BEFORE the 2000 ban. Otherwise he cannot have them. You are not even allowed to have them if you got them later even if not being used in a rifle. The only way you can is if they are disassembled (at least that part I am not 100% sure about)

REALLY?!?! You aren't 100% sure about any of this are you?

Can you please cite the portion of the Penal Code that prohibits possession of high capacity magazines or their use in a gun if you didn't have the magazine before 1/1/2000? Please??? I am on the edge of my seat to see where possession of a high capacity magazine (regardless of the date of acquisition) is prohibited by the penal code.

Thanks.

P.S. I don't ask people where/when they got their magazines. What I can tell you is that possession is not regulated; only importation, sale, transfer, etc, etc is prohibited after 1/1/2000. So, my information was 100% accurate and, contrary to your statement, was the best information.

[aplinker]

Not the best info. He can only use hi cap mags if HE owned them BEFORE the 2000 ban. Otherwise he cannot have them. You are not even allowed to have them if you got them later even if not being used in a rifle. The only way you can is if they are disassembled (at least that part I am not 100% sure about)

There are legal means of acquisition of hi-caps now, too. Some just haven't come to fruition.

Ohsmily isn't exactly someone who gets his law wrong.

I'd really like to point out that the use of a bullet button, even on a featureless rifle, would preclude the use of large capacity mags. This is because once you fix the mag it can not have a capacity exceeding 10rds or it's an assault weapon.

To the OP: welcome to CA laws. Featureless rifles are the way to go if you have large capacity mags. They are not prohibited from use. You are stuck with 10rd mags if you use a BB, but you can add all the features you want.

I'd suggest reading through these:

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=56818

http://www.tenpercentfirearms.com/index.php?main_page=ar15

http://www.calguns.net/caawid/flowchart.pdf

That will help you a bunch.

[asheron2]

ARTICLE 2. UNLAWFUL CARRYING AND POSSESSION OF WEAPONS
12020. (a) Any person in this state who does any of the following is punishable by imprisonment in a county jail not exceeding one year or in the state prison:

(2) Commencing January 1, 2000, manufactures or causes to be manufactured, imports into the state, keeps for sale, or offers or exposes for sale, or who gives, or lends, any large-capacity magazine.

[devildog999]

All I know is I was told by several that I could not use my mags that I got from the Marine Corps after 2000 because I did not have them before 2000. And Oshmily, the only part I was referring to about not being 100% sure was the part about not having them unless completely disassembled.

Why is it everyone says you can use only your preban mags with a featureless rifle and that when you do repairs on preban mags, you cannot end up with more than you had to begin with if they are not illegal?

[CHS]

ARTICLE 2. UNLAWFUL CARRYING AND POSSESSION OF WEAPONS
12020. (a) Any person in this state who does any of the following is punishable by imprisonment in a county jail not exceeding one year or in the state prison:

(2) Commencing January 1, 2000, manufactures or causes to be manufactured, imports into the state, keeps for sale, or offers or exposes for sale, or who gives, or lends, any large-capacity magazine.

Yes, asheron. Exactly.

READ that law.

First off, there are a few exceptions to that law.

Second, NOTHING in that law prevents you from using or owning/possessing hi-cap mags that you owned before 1/1/200.

Do you get it now?

[devildog999]

What is it with people and the sticks up there rumps today?

[Vinz]

probably the elections or lack of fiber typ....I would do your homework here and error on the side of caution.

I can't wait for the guy to claim his 30 round pmag is pre ban. Talk about confusing.


vinz