"Controlled round push feed action"...WTF?

[kdm]

Isn't this quite the contradiction of terms???

I ran across it in a CDNN ad in the 2009 Guns and Ammo Annual Buyer's Guide, on page 13. They're advertising FN patrol rifles, and one of the selling points is "controlled round push feed action". Mein Gott...that's a new one to me!

[X-NewYawker]

That's a mass produced catalog typo -- it's one or the other (unless it's the Ruger M77 which LOOKS like a controlled round but is more of a push feed, claw extractor)

[Cypriss32]

Its just a push fed action.........

[jtv3062]

It's a post 92 Winchester.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winchester_Model_70

Starting in 1992, Winchester reintroduced many features of the pre-'64 rifles, while also continuing to manufacture less expensive variants. The Post-'92 Model 70 is an extensive rifle line that boasts nearly all of the features of the original line, but with some updated equipment, such as the Controlled Round Push Feed action

[X-NewYawker]

WTF? What does Wikipedia know? Those two things are different -- controlled feed is when the extractor captures the rim of the cartridge and holds it against the bolt face as the bolt is closed.

Push feed just pushes the round ahead of the bolt and the extractor doesn't hook the brass until it is pushed all the way into the chamber.

The FN SPR uses the Pre-64 controlled round feed (as does the Kimber line of bolt action rifles.) So the "push feed" part was extraneous since ant bolt feeds the round into the chamber by pushing it.

[Cypriss32]

Those actions are different then FN SPR rifles that come in MCM A2/A3/A4/A5 stocks.......

[jtv3062]

Ok I remember reading in the gun mags a few years back about "Controlled Round Push Feed rifles that they came out with. I did a quick search and posted the first link I saw. I did another after your WTF post so there you have it staight from Winchesters web site.
They Winchester did make a rifle with Controlled Round Push Feed rifle.
I took no offense in your post. So dont take offense in mine.

http://www.winchesterguns.com/services/press/detail.asp?id=9

U.S. Repeating Arms Company Introduces Controlled Round Push Feed (CRPF).January 1, 2003Morgan, UT – “The best of both worlds”. That is the way the new Winchester Model 70 controlled round push feed system is being described. This innovative design lets the bolt face control the cartridge from magazine to chamber, but with a push feed style built-in, bolt face extractor. Utilizing a blade type ejector, the shooter controls the amount of ejection by the speed the bolt is worked. No matter if you cycle shells from the magazine or load one at a time, the base of the cartridge is quickly captivated and securely directed to the chamber. Available in the following models.

[Cypriss32]

Those are the actions you are referring to in the first post.....

[jtv3062]

Adam B can you post pics of the bolt face? My friend has a .223 varmint and I was wondering if he had a Push Feed or the Controlled Round Push Feed action.

[buffybuster]

The Controlled Push Feed is the Winchester Post-64 action with the bottom of the bolt face machined flush with the bolt face. This allows the round to slide under the Push Feed extractor so the extractor does not have to snap over the cartridge rim. The ejector is the blade type like other control feeds.

Actually, Savage did something quite similar, before Winchester, for their Safari actions in .458WM. I believe Savage called it their Control Round Feed action. They are quite rare; as far as I know, it was only available on their .458WM rifles and quickly and quietly dropped...... and how many of them have you seen?

[Cypriss32]

Is there a extra bar on the side of the action?

[buffybuster]

Is there a extra bar on the side of the action?

Are you speaking to me????

[Cypriss32]

Yes..... I will take some pics for you tommarrow.