Is the Bushmaster carbon-15 Type 97 considered an "OLL" rifle?

[j1133s]

Ok, I'm talking about a complete Bushmaster Carbon-15 type 97 and not building one w/ a C-15 plastic lower.

I'm wondering if I can bring mine into CA, w/ the proper mod of course (such as bullet button (not sure if it'll work on the C-15) or those pistol-grip-to-stock merging things).

I don't really know much about CA's assult rifle ban, but it would be nice to shoot 3 gun once a while (or just sell the thing for extra ammo money).

[j1133s]

Thanks shlonak. Calguns gets you fast and accurate response!

I just called my local FFL dealer to ask this question and that's pretty much what he told me. And I thought I'd quickly answer my own question but what do you know? Already answered.

The answer from FFL dealer is that he'll do the transwer but the rifle has to be CA compliant So now... I've got to find out if the bullet button works on C-15s...

[j1133s]

Since it has a flash suppressor, you need to use a bullet button. You can't use a MonsterMan grip. Bushmaster Carbon 15 rifles are not banned by name.

The flash suppressor is easily detachable w/o tools. I'm wondering if I can just remove it and then I don't have to mess with the bullet button/monster man grip. Hmm...

[j1133s]

I'm replying my own questions, but maybe it'll help others.

I just got off the phone again with my local FFL dealer and he mentioned that these rifles cannot have a flash suppressor _at_all_. So I need to remove the flash suppressor and still do the bullet button or grip modification.

After hanging up, I _realized_ that my Carbon-15 type 97 has a muzzle break. Yeah. Yeah. (This is what happens when you don't mess w/ your AR too long. you forget what's actually on it.)

[bwiese]

Bushmaster Carbon15 rifles of any sort are not considered listed.

Make SURE however that the lower does not somehow also say "Professoinal Ordnance" (former makers of Carbon15s). I've heard repeated rumors - gawd knows if they're true - that some early Bushmaster Carbon15s may (alos?) be marked Professional Ordnance.

Your FFL is wrong about flash hider issues. A flash hider is an evil feature that has the same legal equivalency - no more, no less - of a pistol grip or telestock, etc. of other 12276.1PC features. Affixing a BulletButton or other mag lock + 10rd mag to render such a rifle into a fixed mag rifle allows all evil features (other than intrinsically illegal grenade launchers) to be affixed.

For rifles, flash hiders are only no-nos on detachable magazine builds which must run 'featureless' (i.e., no FH, no pistol grip, no tele/folding stock, etc. - most of these folks run A2 stocks with MonsterMan grips).

[j1133s]

Thank Bill for the detailed explanation.

It's interesting that you mentioned "Professoinal Ordnance". I'd bet not too many people know/remember them. Thankfully, my Carbon-15 is a Bushmaster one. As far as I know, all the Carbon-15 sold as Bushmaster (after the purchase) is marked Bushmaster. A while back there were some issues with vendors calling old Professional ordnance stock as Bushmasters because Bushmaster would not honor warranty (or even repair) those rifles.

These rifles are really nice in 3 gun competitions where targets are < 30 yards; at < 5 lbs they get on target very quickly. (Although I don't know how 3 gun will work w/ a bullet button I guess I'll just have to find out)

Bushmaster Carbon15 rifles of any sort are not considered listed.

Make SURE however that the lower does not somehow also say "Professoinal Ordnance" (former makers of Carbon15s). I've heard repeated rumors - gawd knows if they're true - that some early Bushmaster Carbon15s may (alos?) be marked Professional Ordnance.

Your FFL is wrong about flash hider issues. A flash hider is an evil feature that has the same legal equivalency - no more, no less - of a pistol grip or telestock, etc. of other 12276.1PC features. Affixing a BulletButton or other mag lock + 10rd mag to render such a rifle into a fixed mag rifle allows all evil features (other than intrinsically illegal grenade launchers) to be affixed.

For rifles, flash hiders are only no-nos on detachable magazine builds which must run 'featureless' (i.e., no FH, no pistol grip, no tele/folding stock, etc. - most of these folks run A2 stocks with MonsterMan grips).

[gunn]

Thanks shlonak. Calguns gets you fast and accurate response!

I just called my local FFL dealer to ask this question and that's pretty much what he told me. And I thought I'd quickly answer my own question but what do you know? Already answered.

The answer from FFL dealer is that he'll do the transwer but the rifle has to be CA compliant So now... I've got to find out if the bullet button works on C-15s...

Q: Why do you need to do a transfer?
If it was yours before you move into the state, I'm not sure why an FFL (or his fees) need to be involved. Since it's a long gun and not a pistol, telling California that you even have it isn't even necessary.

-g

One final FYI: If you go with a BB build, your non-detachable magazine rifle can only use 10rd mags (even if you are in legal possession of 30rd mags). a 30rd non-detachable mag rifle is still a NO-NO.

[ElevenBravO]

I got a BushMaster C15. I got a BB on it. Got it from an FFL with the BB installed with it. So to the OP, yes, it does work

[j1133s]

Q: Why do you need to do a transfer?
If it was yours before you move into the state, I'm not sure why an FFL (or his fees) need to be involved. Since it's a long gun and not a pistol, telling California that you even have it isn't even necessary.

-g

One final FYI: If you go with a BB build, your non-detachable magazine rifle can only use 10rd mags (even if you are in legal possession of 30rd mags). a 30rd non-detachable mag rifle is still a NO-NO.

Yes, I do know about the 30rnd mags (from the bullet button sellers), but your info is very good in case somebody thinks he can attach a 30rnder w/ a bullet button. Fortunately I've got a bunch of 5rnder from my competition days

The reason I'm asking the FFL dealer regarding transfers is 2 folds:

1. It he can transfer it, then it's legal.

2. I likely will sell it since I can't see myself using the bullet button and liking it.