Ruger M77 Mk1 warning

[smle-man]

My bought used M77 Mk1 RSI (tang safety) started acting up the last range trip. This time out it fired when I closed the bolt on a loaded chamber without the trigger being touched. Fortunately the muzzle was downrange so no harm there. A call to Ruger revealed that there is a problem with the trigger overtravel adjustement set screw which is addressed by replacing it. I am surprised that Ruger doesn't want the rifles back to do the fix, especially after the Remington 700 problem, but there you have it.

http://www.ruger.com/pdf/m77.pdf

My rifle experienced both of the problems listed on their notice to Mk1 rifle owners. Fill out the form, mail it to them and they will send you the upgraded part. My card is going in the mail tomorrow.

Don't shoot yours until the fix is made. Mine worked fine until it suddenly didn't.

[Divernhunter]

If it is the old fix they will send you a screw to install.

The best "fix" is to install a Timney trigger or one of the cheaper kits such as Basix. I had an old friend gunsmith work over several of mine years ago but do not know anyone I would trust today.

[smle-man]

If it is the old fix they will send you a screw to install.

The best "fix" is to install a Timney trigger or one of the cheaper kits such as Basix. I had an old friend gunsmith work over several of mine years ago but do not know anyone I would trust today.

That is the problem, finding someone to do quality work.

[Thorax]

There are plenty of guys out there that do quality work, they are not hard to find.
One problem is a lot of those guys are booked for months if not years because they are lazy or do not have the capacity for the amount of work they take in.

The big problem though is YOU guys not wanting to pay for quality work.

Think about it and be honest with yourself in your answer.

Are you willing going to pay me a reasonable amount when it takes me 5 hours or more to hand massage a trigger to outstanding when you can buy a Timney for 100-150 and drop it in and have it work merely OK ?

With the mindset today you are willing to pay me illegal immigrant wages to perform exacting precision work, have everything be perfect, and it better damn well be lifetime guaranteed.

So no.
I will not be performing any work on your weapons, ever.

It is not me.
It is not that the quality of work is unavailable.
It is YOU and the current mindset of society that is so ingrained into people from various forms of media.

[Jarhead]

There are plenty of guys out there that do quality work, they are not hard to find.
One problem is a lot of those guys are booked for months if not years because they are lazy or do not have the capacity for the amount of work they take in.

The big problem though is YOU guys not wanting to pay for quality work.

Think about it and be honest with yourself in your answer.

Are you willing going to pay me a reasonable amount when it takes me 5 hours or more to hand massage a trigger to outstanding when you can buy a Timney for 100-150 and drop it in and have it work merely OK ?

With the mindset today you are willing to pay me illegal immigrant wages to perform exacting precision work, have everything be perfect, and it better damn well be lifetime guaranteed.



So no.
I will not be performing any work on your weapons, ever.

It is not me.
It is not that the quality of work is unavailable.
It is YOU and the current mindset of society that is so ingrained into people from various forms of media.

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[smle-man]

There are plenty of guys out there that do quality work, they are not hard to find.
One problem is a lot of those guys are booked for months if not years because they are lazy or do not have the capacity for the amount of work they take in.

The big problem though is YOU guys not wanting to pay for quality work.

Think about it and be honest with yourself in your answer.

Are you willing going to pay me a reasonable amount when it takes me 5 hours or more to hand massage a trigger to outstanding when you can buy a Timney for 100-150 and drop it in and have it work merely OK ?

With the mindset today you are willing to pay me illegal immigrant wages to perform exacting precision work, have everything be perfect, and it better damn well be lifetime guaranteed.

So no.
I will not be performing any work on your weapons, ever.

It is not me.
It is not that the quality of work is unavailable.
It is YOU and the current mindset of society that is so ingrained into people from various forms of media.

I'm assuming you are using the 'royal you' and this isn't directed at me personally. You have no idea what I am or am not willing to pay or wait for quality gunsmith work.

[Divernhunter]

As for me I do not know "you" so I would not be willing to have you work on my triggers. I want someone I have gotten to know over time and "personally trust". I am NOT saying your work is not good, Just I will not allow anyone I do not know or highly recommended by someone I trust to work on any trigger of guns I own.

Timney trigger "merely OK"?---I think not. Maybe someone has too big an ego.

5 hours for a trigger. ---Must have a lot of coffee breaks. Sorry but I have had a number of excellent trigger jobs done on Rem/Ruger rifles and Ruger/Colt pistols by an couple of excellent gunsmiths and none took that long. I was there watching and trying to learn what I could including retempering the sear and such.

It may take you 5 hours but it really is not needed. I am speaking about a varmint or big game hunting rifle as I have not needed a super target rifle even though a number of my hunting rifles will put 5 shots into one hole when I do my part.
As far as willing to pay. I have paid for a quality rebarreling on a number of rifles including action truing etc. I am not above paying and waiting for for quality but not to just stroke somebodies ego. Do the job in a timely manner at a reasonability cost and I will be a return customer.

My 2 Cents

[dfletcher]

There are plenty of guys out there that do quality work, they are not hard to find.
One problem is a lot of those guys are booked for months if not years because they are lazy or do not have the capacity for the amount of work they take in.

The big problem though is YOU guys not wanting to pay for quality work.

Think about it and be honest with yourself in your answer.

Are you willing going to pay me a reasonable amount when it takes me 5 hours or more to hand massage a trigger to outstanding when you can buy a Timney for 100-150 and drop it in and have it work merely OK ?

With the mindset today you are willing to pay me illegal immigrant wages to perform exacting precision work, have everything be perfect, and it better damn well be lifetime guaranteed.

So no.
I will not be performing any work on your weapons, ever.

It is not me.
It is not that the quality of work is unavailable.
It is YOU and the current mindset of society that is so ingrained into people from various forms of media.

Capitalism can be a challenge, yes? No doubt there can a a race to the bottom, but if a person thinks the OK Timney is better than a gunsmith's perfect trigger, so be it. But let's turn this around a bit ....

Can a customer drive to your place of business knowing it's open, or is it "Tues & Thurs, from 10am to noon" otherwise call? When you say something will be done on time, is it? And when it's done do you call? When I get my gun back does it have any new scratches or dings?

But yes, if I pay for a trigger job or brake or drill & tap - yes, it needs to be perfect. If "you" can't do perfect just tell me. If what I want is foolish or near impossible, tell me or just say "sorry, I won't D & T a side mount on your as new 1903 NRA Springfield Sporter ..."

I'm using "you" the same way you're using "you guys" - you may be the best, most responsible and customer service oriented gunsmith on the planet. But let's face it, there are alot of customer challenged gunsmiths out there. A good business deal is a two way street, so's a bad one.

[toby]

There is always that one person!

[Thorax]

Yes, facts ARE intolerable are they not.

[TMB 1]

Didn't know that about M77 triggers. I have two and just looked both have the t scratched under bolt handle. I guess that's good because I always thought their triggers were better than ok

[StraightShooter]

5 hours to work over a Ruger trigger? Lol

[dpr]

5 hours in a trigger job??? Please enlighten us. You'd have to try REALLY hard to put 5 hours in a Ruger 77 trigger of any vintage, so I hope that's not the example you were referring to.

And I don't get the rant. I didn't see where the op was asking a gunsmith to work on his gun for free.

[Thorax]

And I don't get the rant. I didn't see where the op was asking a gunsmith to work on his gun for free.

And that is because you have not read the thread......you know, comprehension comes first, context is imperative, assumption is the mother of all F ups.

This thread serves perfectly the point of quality craftsmen marked as a dying breed in this country,

To do a trigger right to most of you means running a stone across it and snipping a coil or two off a spring.
There, done, wow doesn't it feel nice now ?

Classic example of how a large portion of gunsmiths in this day and age think, and perform.

A quality trigger done by a true artist is so far and gone different that you guys really have no concept of how it would even feel.

You throw away the trigger, the springs, the pins, everything, and start all over to correct the bad geometry.
Every part gets made new, from better materials.
The trigger gets counterbored and flanged lead/sintered bronze bushings get installed. The face is polished or ribbed depending on the customers needs.
The pins are hardened M2 tool steel. The springs are weighted correctly and made of 5130 or 1095 depending on what you're working on. Everything is lapped out to 8000 or 10000 grit. Everything is normalized twice and induction hardened.

Yep, it takes 10 minutes tops, I do it while you wait, and that'll be $45, thank you bring money.

Right, you guys know everything.

[StraightShooter]

And that is because you have not read the thread......you know, comprehension comes first, context is imperative, assumption is the mother of all F ups.



This thread serves perfectly the point of quality craftsmen marked as a dying breed in this country,



To do a trigger right to most of you means running a stone across it and snipping a coil or two off a spring.

There, done, wow doesn't it feel nice now ?



Classic example of how a large portion of gunsmiths in this day and age think, and perform.



A quality trigger done by a true artist is so far and gone different that you guys really have no concept of how it would even feel.



You throw away the trigger, the springs, the pins, everything, and start all over to correct the bad geometry.

Every part gets made new, from better materials.

The trigger gets counterbored and flanged lead/sintered bronze bushings get installed. The face is polished or ribbed depending on the customers needs.

The pins are hardened M2 tool steel. The springs are weighted correctly and made of 5130 or 1095 depending on what you're working on. Everything is lapped out to 8000 or 10000 grit. Everything is normalized twice and induction hardened.



Yep, it takes 10 minutes tops, I do it while you wait, and that'll be $45, thank you bring money.



Right, you guys know everything.

Lol! It should be no wonder why that level of craftsmanship is a dying breed. Complete waste of time.