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  • CASEC
    Senior Member
    • Oct 2012
    • 884

    Scope slippage

    Just got my M 48a out shooting today. I bought it set up like it is. It has an S&K scout mount and a lei pork er 2.5x. Well I was shooting some pretty hot Turk surplus and I can see where the scope slipped up in the rings under recoil. My questions are: how do I remount it correctly. .& How do I keep this from happening in the future? It shot really well otherwise.
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    Merc1138
    I need a LIFE!!
    • Feb 2009
    • 19742

    Assuming the rings aren't crap and actually have a decent amount of surface area to grip the tube, there's something lacking in your post and that is whether or not you actually torqued it down properly.

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    • #3
      osis32
      Calguns Addict
      • Jul 2009
      • 5912

      Properly torque it and use blue loctite. Although if you properly torque it you shouldn't need loctite.
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      • #4
        ElvenSoul
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        • Apr 2008
        • 17431

        Did you lap the rings?
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        • #5
          E92335i
          Veteran Member
          • Mar 2013
          • 2937

          lap the rings or buy quality rings like Badger or TPS etc. I use blue loctite on my rings.

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          • #6
            JMP
            Internet Warrior
            CGN Contributor - Lifetime
            • Feb 2012
            • 17056

            You probably didn't screw it tight enough. You don't need a torque wrench to mount a scope. The range is wide enough where common sense prevails. You'd want to tighten it enough so it doesn't move, but you would not tightening it enough to strip the screws or damage the tube. If you use a torque wrench, it should be in the ball park of 2.5 newton meters, but read the instructions for the manufacturer's recommendation.

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            • #7
              Spyder
              CGN Contributor
              • Mar 2008
              • 17008

              Originally posted by CASEC
              It has...a lei pork er 2.5x.

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              • #8
                'ol shooter
                Veteran Member
                • Mar 2011
                • 4646

                Go to a Sporting Goods store and buy a rosin bag. Clean insides of rings and scope with alcohol and coat inner rings with rosin from the bag. Remount scope, torque rings to 16 inch lb. with some pink or blue Loctite on the threads, so they don't shake loose.
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                • #9
                  dskit
                  Member
                  • Aug 2009
                  • 393

                  Originally posted by 'ol shooter
                  Go to a Sporting Goods store and buy a rosin bag. Clean insides of rings and scope with alcohol and coat inner rings with rosin from the bag. Remount scope, torque rings to 16 inch lb. with some pink or blue Loctite on the threads, so they don't shake loose.
                  Along these lines, make sure to clean out the inside of the rings with some type of solvent - new rings often have some oil on them for rust prevention - they need to be dry to have a good grip on the scope.
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                  • #10
                    Caseless
                    Senior Member
                    • Jun 2005
                    • 1650

                    Originally posted by Merc1138
                    Assuming the rings aren't crap and actually have a decent amount of surface area to grip the tube, there's something lacking in your post and that is whether or not you actually torqued it down properly.
                    This.
                    And hear the locking click twice on each screw, then it's all good.

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                    • #11
                      dfletcher
                      I need a LIFE!!
                      • Dec 2006
                      • 14787

                      Originally posted by 'ol shooter
                      Go to a Sporting Goods store and buy a rosin bag. Clean insides of rings and scope with alcohol and coat inner rings with rosin from the bag. Remount scope, torque rings to 16 inch lb. with some pink or blue Loctite on the threads, so they don't shake loose.
                      I bought the rosin from Brownell, it keeps a pistol scope in place on my 15" Encore in 375 H & H. It can crud up the scope tube, produce a little "shadow" where the rings clamp down. Worth it though to keep everything in place.
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                      • #12
                        kendog4570
                        Calguns Addict
                        • Dec 2008
                        • 5180

                        For you guys using rosin, try making a thin slurry with denatured alcohol with it. Brush it on and let the alcohol evaporate. Much thinner and better coverage that trying to get it to stick where you want it when dry. Wipe up excess with alcohol soaked patch.
                        I keep a little painters touch-up bottle with a brush in the cap filled with it at the bench.
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                        • #13
                          LynnJr
                          Calguns Addict
                          • Jan 2013
                          • 7955

                          Lap the rings over-sized and bed the scope using JB-Weld.
                          This will assure you of 100% surface contact without putting stress on the scopes main tube.

                          Simple lapping of the rings means the rings are true but very few scope tubes actually are. You can test this out for yourself by placing any scope in vee-blocks and observing the run-out on an indicator.

                          The majority of scopes put into lapped rings are all bound up and stressed because the tube isn't as straight as the rings are. Bedding cures those problems.
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                          • #14
                            ElvenSoul
                            I need a LIFE!!
                            • Apr 2008
                            • 17431

                            Or just use Zee Rings
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                            • #15
                              Wrangler John
                              Senior Member
                              • Oct 2009
                              • 1799

                              Originally posted by ElvenSoul
                              Or just use Zee Rings
                              ^^^ This is the answer. Whenever possible I use these rings. The plastic bushings retain the scope, they self align with any minor misalignment keeping stress off the scope tube, and can be replaced with offset bushings to rough zero a scope where the bases are not properly aligned due to poorly aligned receiver mounting holes.

                              Mounting a scope requires a torque wrench or gauge for best results, as do action screws. I use a precision torque gauge, but a torque wrench will do fine. Good ones cost $100 to $200 or more.

                              Clean all the parts with acetone or other solvent, especially the screws and threaded holes, then use a toothpick to apply a miniscule amount of oil to the threads and torque to the proper setting. The scope will not slip thereafter.

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