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  • AK5.56
    Member
    • Oct 2012
    • 372

    Barrel/bolt fluting

    Was out last weekend in the desert trying to stretch out my R700 AAC-SD and test out a new bipod. I don't have much experience with bolt guns but the action feels pretty sticky. I only have about 100 rounds through it so I'm wondering if this is part of the reason? If I really manipulate the action it moves a bit smoother but then I loose my sight on target as I go to chamber the next round.

    From videos I've watched it looks like guys can barley touch the bolt lever to chamber the next round. I did give it a good cleaning when purchased to remove all the factory gunk and I keep a light coat of Hoppes Oil on the bolt and chamber.

    Is this normal or is there a good way to smooth out the action?

    I looked in to some custom fluting which I read can smooth it out by allowing debris and gunk to freely pass through as well as less metal to metal friction. I don't know if this would really help what Im looking for.

    Regardless, does anyone know of a custom fluting shop in San Diego or close by that can do a stock R700 bolt and maybe barrel?
  • #2
    NorCalFocus
    Veteran Member
    • Aug 2013
    • 3913

    Do you want it fluted or jeweled? Jeweled might be a better option just to smooth out the bolt.

    Also have you added a bolt knob? That helped out my action a ton.

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    • #3
      ar15barrels
      I need a LIFE!!
      • Jan 2006
      • 57141

      Originally posted by AK5.56
      Was out last weekend in the desert trying to stretch out my R700 AAC-SD and test out a new bipod. I don't have much experience with bolt guns but the action feels pretty sticky. I only have about 100 rounds through it so I'm wondering if this is part of the reason? If I really manipulate the action it moves a bit smoother but then I loose my sight on target as I go to chamber the next round.

      From videos I've watched it looks like guys can barley touch the bolt lever to chamber the next round. I did give it a good cleaning when purchased to remove all the factory gunk and I keep a light coat of Hoppes Oil on the bolt and chamber.

      Is this normal or is there a good way to smooth out the action?

      I looked in to some custom fluting which I read can smooth it out by allowing debris and gunk to freely pass through as well as less metal to metal friction. I don't know if this would really help what Im looking for.

      Regardless, does anyone know of a custom fluting shop in San Diego or close by that can do a stock R700 bolt and maybe barrel?
      Fluting will NOT smooth out the movement.
      Some fluting will actually catch on the top cartridge that's in the magazine under the bolt.

      Read my "bolt tuning" service description here:

      It will considerably smooth out how the bolt closes.
      I don't recommend bolt tuning until you have upgraded the trigger though as the tuning is done to match the bolt/striker/trigger together.
      Last edited by ar15barrels; 09-29-2014, 10:07 PM.
      Randall Rausch

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      Most work done while you wait on a scheduled shop visit.

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      • #4
        CRTguns
        Veteran Member
        • Mar 2006
        • 2627

        ya... if rifling on the inside is good... imagine how much better if it's on the outside too!

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        • #5
          ar15barrels
          I need a LIFE!!
          • Jan 2006
          • 57141

          Originally posted by CRTguns
          ya... if rifling on the inside is good... imagine how much better if it's on the outside too!
          Randall Rausch

          AR work: www.ar15barrels.com
          Handguns: www.handgunbarrels.com
          Bolt actions: www.700barrels.com
          Foreign Semi Autos: www.akbarrels.com
          Most work done while you wait on a scheduled shop visit.

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          • #6
            JMP
            Internet Warrior
            CGN Contributor - Lifetime
            • Feb 2012
            • 17056

            Try lubing the contact parts of the bolt with grease rather than Hoppes oil. The oil is a bit thin and will come off quickly. Then, get a larger bolt knob for more leverage, and that should cycle fine. Otherwise, if you are shooting loads with excessive pressure, it can make the bolt sticky on ejection. It's possible that you got debris inside. After you clean and lubricate the bolt and rifle, when unloaded, you should be able to slide the bolt back and forth pretty easily. If not, there is an issue with your rifle.

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            • #7
              LynnJr
              Calguns Addict
              • Jan 2013
              • 7958

              Put the grease on the backside of the locking lugs and nothing at all on the front side closest to the barrel. There is 0.005 -- 0.010 clearance between the barrel and the front of the locking lugs and grease on the front simply collects debris.
              PMA Tool makes a very decent action cleaning kit.
              Lynn Dragoman, Jr.
              Southwest Regional Director
              Unlimited Range Shooters Association (URSA)
              www.unlimitedrange.org
              Not a commercial business.
              URSA - Competition starts at 2000 yards!

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              • #8
                dskit
                Member
                • Aug 2009
                • 393

                For newer bolt guns, I make a point to take a rag with some oil or solvent and wipe down the bolt after every firing session. You'd be amazed at the amount of gunk that needs to rub off the high spots the bolt before is smooth's out.
                _____________________________________________
                Originally posted by bubbapug1
                And so what do you count ?

                Everyone's an expert on the Internet but I'm thinking you are a poser.

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                • #9
                  ar15barrels
                  I need a LIFE!!
                  • Jan 2006
                  • 57141

                  Originally posted by LynnJr
                  There is 0.005 -- 0.010 clearance between the barrel and the front of the locking lugs
                  Lynn-

                  I have measured most factory Remingtons to have 0.015" or more bolt nose and lug clearance from the barrel.
                  On several occasions, I have surface ground the lug as much as 0.007" to correct headspace during a barrel swap from one factory Remington barrel to another Remington factory barrel.
                  Even after that mush lug shortening, that particular 0.007" correction gun still had over 0.012" clearance.

                  On guns I build, I usually set this clearance at 0.010".
                  Last edited by ar15barrels; 09-30-2014, 10:36 AM.
                  Randall Rausch

                  AR work: www.ar15barrels.com
                  Handguns: www.handgunbarrels.com
                  Bolt actions: www.700barrels.com
                  Foreign Semi Autos: www.akbarrels.com
                  Most work done while you wait on a scheduled shop visit.

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                  • #10
                    LynnJr
                    Calguns Addict
                    • Jan 2013
                    • 7958

                    Randall
                    I was at a match and one of the regulars had just bought his first ever lathe.

                    He had two custom barrels on hand and chambered them for a tolerance fit and they would not group at all. The barrel maker replaced those barrels free of charge and when he chambered one up it wouldn't shoot in a bucket. He spent days making sure all of his measurements were as close to zero as humanly possible and was convinced the barrel manufacturer was at fault. He mentioned how tight he had everything and I told him that was way too tight and that he should call Greg Walley at Kelbleys.

                    Long story short I had the smallest group at 600 yards for two days until he bested me with a barrel that was junk on day one of a 3 day match. Lesson learned share the knowledge after completion of the match not during it.
                    Lynn Dragoman, Jr.
                    Southwest Regional Director
                    Unlimited Range Shooters Association (URSA)
                    www.unlimitedrange.org
                    Not a commercial business.
                    URSA - Competition starts at 2000 yards!

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                    • #11
                      ar15barrels
                      I need a LIFE!!
                      • Jan 2006
                      • 57141

                      Originally posted by LynnJr
                      Lesson learned share the knowledge after completion of the match not during it.
                      haha, indeed...
                      Randall Rausch

                      AR work: www.ar15barrels.com
                      Handguns: www.handgunbarrels.com
                      Bolt actions: www.700barrels.com
                      Foreign Semi Autos: www.akbarrels.com
                      Most work done while you wait on a scheduled shop visit.

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                      • #12
                        AK5.56
                        Member
                        • Oct 2012
                        • 372

                        Originally posted by CRTguns
                        ya... if rifling on the inside is good... imagine how much better if it's on the outside too!

                        Wait...there is rifling on the inside?


                        Thanks for the input from everyone else.

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                        • #13
                          Twystd1
                          Superfluous
                          CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                          • Oct 2009
                          • 2692

                          I have personally seen several of the tricks Randall uses to make a 700 bolt work smoothly.

                          Unless you have ALL the tools he has. And the knowledge to go with it.
                          The bolt FIX should be professional done.

                          PM Randall. He can make a 700 bolt work as smooth as possible in a very short time period. In fact. While you wait.

                          I did.

                          -T

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