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  • Ragemachine
    Senior Member
    • Feb 2012
    • 552

    Help!!

    I always wanted a bolt action precision rifle. I don't hunt, but me and my dad always shoot his for fun and competition. I wanted to get one of my own. So I bought a savage model 10, .223 from a fellow calguns member.
    Here is the problem, me, my dad and his friend could not sight it in. Anything over 100yrds was way off. They both think something is wrong with the scope. Something about the elevation? In their defense, both are great hunters and shooters. so here is my question, do I give up on the scope? I am in the Chino area, is their someone who can look at it? Even if I buy new scope, do I have to take it to someone? I am trying to save money!
    Thanks for any info or help.
    Last edited by Ragemachine; 05-09-2014, 9:25 PM.
  • #2
    CobraRed
    Senior Member
    • May 2012
    • 1018

    I would edit the sniper rifle part or else that will become what this thread is about.

    Precision rifle

    Also, you never mentioned what scope it is.

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    • #3
      vliberatore
      CGN/CGSSA Contributor
      CGN Contributor
      • Dec 2011
      • 10055

      What are you doing to zero the scope in?
      Originally posted by fighterpilot562
      Damn it man! We could have got drunk, called a taxi and drop by Kest house with a mega phone.

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      • #4
        bsumoba
        Veteran Member
        • Sep 2012
        • 4217

        we need more info...

        like cobra mentioned...what kind of scope? tasco/barska?

        what is exactly wrong? y

        *you cant hit paper?
        * you cant get it to zero properly no matter what you do with the turret adjustments?
        * are the groups horrible, like 10 inch groups at 100 yard with a scoped rifle?
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        • #5
          baih777
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          • Jul 2011
          • 5680

          what ammo are you using ?
          try sighting in at 50yds.
          did you make sure the scope rings and base are on tight ?
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          • #6
            LynnJr
            Calguns Addict
            • Jan 2013
            • 7957

            If your dad and friend both hunt and shoot and think you have a scope problem the easiest and cheapest solution would be to remove your scope from the rifle and use one of there scopes in its place.
            It wouldn't take very long to do you would have your answer and they can put there scope back on while your still at the range and re-zero it in.
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            • #7
              Ragemachine
              Senior Member
              • Feb 2012
              • 552

              Ok, so the scope is- swfa ss tactical 10x42 30mm
              We used- rem .223 55g
              We sighted it in at 25yrds backed up to 100yrds and it shot way to high.
              It also has a bull barrel
              Again thanks for the help

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              • #8
                bsumoba
                Veteran Member
                • Sep 2012
                • 4217

                Ok, so the scope is- swfa ss tactical 10x42 30mm
                scope should be decent and be good enough for what you're doing. thats probably one of the better sub-$400 scopes.

                We used- rem .223 55g
                not the greatest ammo, but should be good enough to give you 2-4 inch groups at 100 yds

                We sighted it in at 25yrds backed up to 100yrds and it shot way to high.
                did you adjust the scope? typically, when you sight it in a 25 yds, then back up to 100 yds, you will shoot high. below is not exactly a 55gr trajectory with multiple zeros, but it should be good enough...

                with a 25 yd zero, you should expect to hit 4-6 inches high, and will ultimately shoot high. you will have to turn up the elevation knob if you were to stick with a 25yd zero. this is why many people use 100 yd zeros for .223, because it offers a 2 inch elevation adjustment from 25-200 yds.

                my only concern would be if you adjust the turrets to zero at 100 yards and you could not hold that zero at 100 yards, meaning that the shots are all over the place (5-10 inch groups), OR if you make elevation adjustments and the scope does not track properly.

                Last edited by bsumoba; 05-10-2014, 5:45 PM.
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                • #9
                  JMP
                  Internet Warrior
                  CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                  • Feb 2012
                  • 17056

                  As mentioned above, zero at 100. A 25 yard zero is more for an AR-15 with A2 iron sights, so that the zero is 25 yards with a rising trajectory and back at zero ~400+ yards. With a scope, 100 yard zero is near canonical so that you are always dialing up. Unless it is mounted absurdly high, that scope will have enough elevation travel to get you to 500 yards with 55gr FMJ .223 ammo. 55gr FMJ .223 doesn't have that much drop in its effective range, it's the wind that starts getting really tough past 500 with the light bullet, especially FMJ bulk.

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                  • #10
                    lewdogg21
                    Cattle Thieves Pro Staff
                    • May 2009
                    • 10369

                    Check rings and bases. May be loose.

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                    Originally posted by jmonte35
                    Disagree. Been trying to teach lewdogg21 how to hunt. It's like trying to teach Steve Wonder how to see. Not sure we're ever going to get there.
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                    • #11
                      Ragemachine
                      Senior Member
                      • Feb 2012
                      • 552

                      Again thanks for the help.. I call dad and talk about what I have learned.

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                      • #12
                        CSACANNONEER
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                        • Dec 2006
                        • 44093

                        Why zero at 25 yards? Just zero at the range you are intending to shoot at and be done with it. It only takes one shot to zero optics at ANY distance. OK, I take 3 shots. One to zero, another to fine tune if I am just using a berm impact to zero and a third to confirm my zero. But, if everything goes right, ONE SHOT is all you need. No math, no ballistics table, no nothing except a good rest system and your eyes.
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                        • #13
                          ar15barrels
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                          • Jan 2006
                          • 57106

                          Originally posted by Ragemachine
                          We sighted it in at 25yrds backed up to 100yrds and it shot way to high.
                          You're doing it wrong.
                          Sight it in at 100yds.
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                          • #14
                            Wrangler John
                            Senior Member
                            • Oct 2009
                            • 1799

                            Originally posted by Ragemachine
                            I always wanted a bolt action precision rifle. I don't hunt, but me and my dad always shoot his for fun and competition. I wanted to get one of my own. So I bought a savage model 10, .223 from a fellow calguns member.
                            Here is the problem, me, my dad and his friend could not sight it in. Anything over 100yrds was way off. They both think something is wrong with the scope. Something about the elevation? In their defense, both are great hunters and shooters. so here is my question, do I give up on the scope? I am in the Chino area, is their someone who can look at it? Even if I buy new scope, do I have to take it to someone? I am trying to save money!
                            Thanks for any info or help.
                            Did the previous owner equip the rifle with a +10, +20, or +30 MOA base for long range shooting? If so, replace the base with a standard 0 MOA base. Then bore sight it at 100 yards.

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