I think I'm in love...

[Syds Grandpa]

If you are seeing drastic accuracy differences at 100 yards between a bolt gun and an AR then there is something wrong with your AR. I mean visually drastic, not technically drastic like the kind of tenths shaving that benchrest guys are doing.

Exactly. I build a 308 that will put them all in the same hole at 100 yards.

[JMP]

Yes, I did the one where you cut a coil off to lower the pull weight and it's so much better.

600 yards just seems like a dream right now. I was having fun at 100 yards, but can't fathom how I'd do 600 yards on this scope. It's a cheap Bushnell 3x9x40. I had it maxed at 100 yards...

It's actually the opposite. 9x is more than adequate for 600 yards, it's at 100 yards on paper when I crank up the zoom. However, if it's one of those really cheap Bushnells that come with the rifle as a package, they usually have just a cross hair reticle with no hashmarks. If that's the case, toss the scope in the dumpster and buy a better scope.

[Sutcliffe]

AXIS(as are most savage products)

Simple, cheap and easy to modify at home.

[BigJ]

The AR-15 is ... one of the greatest failures in weaponry by the US military.

Orly? Tell me more, but do so here so we don't derail this thread: http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=872919

[waxer]

If you are seeing drastic accuracy differences at 100 yards between a bolt gun and an AR then there is something wrong with your AR. I mean visually drastic, not technically drastic like the kind of tenths shaving that benchrest guys are doing.

It would be me that is the cause of that.... I just don't take my time at all. I'm having fun knowing there are 9 more rounds ready to go after I first the first shot. I end up going through ammo pretty quick....

[waxer]

It's actually the opposite. 9x is more than adequate for 600 yards, it's at 100 yards on paper when I crank up the zoom. However, if it's one of those really cheap Bushnells that come with the rifle as a package, they usually have just a cross hair reticle with no hashmarks. If that's the case, toss the scope in the dumpster and buy a better scope.

It is one of the cheap ones that came with the rifle as a package, simple crosshair reticle, no hashmarks at all.. I'm not gonna throw it in the dumpster.. LOL But I will gift it to the wife while I purchase me a better one.

Any recommendations?

[milotrain]

It would be me that is the cause of that...

If it makes you feel better I can't shoot an AR off the bench at all. Not sure why. Bolt gun yes, AR slung up prone certainly, AR benched not at all.

[waxer]

If it makes you feel better I can't shoot an AR off the bench at all. Not sure why. Bolt gun yes, AR slung up prone certainly, AR benched not at all.

For me I'm sure it's technique. With the Savage I have a Harris BRM 6-9 bi-pod and that makes a big difference. I just need to learn the proper technique with holding both.

[waxer]

Well went to Burro today and practiced some more. Shot at 100 yards with different load batches trying to find the best recipe, which I think I found. Below are 2 pictures of targets with pretty decent groupings at 100 yards.

The batch data is on the bottom left of the picture.

The bad news is after 118 rounds fired through this Savage Axis XP, the crappy Bushnell "Sharpshooter" 3-9x40 scope is DOA. The last shot I did with it was interesting because I went to follow up with the next shot and the reticle was cocked to the right and rotated about 15 degrees. The eye relief is non-existant, as there is no way to get rid of the black ring from being too far away. It's toast!!

My research shows it's just a cheap scope they throw on these things that can be purchased separately for around $30... So, I'm in the market for a new scope now. Anyone have any recommendations???

[ElvenSoul]

Next you will be http://www.6mmbr.com/index.html

And contemplating titanium ultra light builds.

Just stay away from .284 Win or anything Ackley Improved for the health of your wallet.

[NorCalFocus]

That 168 load looks pretty decent to me.

Not sure what you want to spend on a new scope?

[waxer]

That 168 load looks pretty decent to me.

Not sure what you want to spend on a new scope?

I'm willing to spend up to $600 for a decent scope to continue to learn off of. Then I can always move it to the next rifle I plan on buying (Rem 700 5R).

[waxer]

I'm looking seriously at this scope.

I'd prefer MOA reticle and MOA turrets. FFP is also something I'm looking for.

Vortex Viper PST Rifle Scope 30mm Tube 6-24x 50mm Side Focus First Focal Illuminated EBR-1 MOA Reticle Matte

http://www.midwayusa.com/product/411481/vortex-viper-pst-rifle-scope-30mm-tube-6-24x-50mm-side-focus-first-focal-illuminated-ebr-1-moa-reticle-matte#pr-header-back-to-top-link

Thoughts?

[Yerman]

Very good choice. I have the PST 4-16 and 6-24.

Send me a PM and I'll tell you where to buy it for a lot less.

[kingsfan8888]

I got bit by the rifle bug myself last December. Definately did my part in supporting the firearms community. Hahaha get yourself some better glass and you will really have some fun. Training is a must as well.