Painting a rifle barrel?

[MongooseV8]

Haha so the op shouldn't roll an aftermarket barrel because he will "burn it out" before learning anything? That is pretty silly. Don't buy that $300 barrel because after $5000 worth of ammo it will be time to replace that tube. 99% of shooters will never shoot out a barrel in any firearm their entire life.

Build or buy, either way get some trigger time =)

Savages are a great rifle to start with and you have the choice to upgrade as you go. A 700 is also decent, but in the end will cost you more money and time than a savage will.

[MongooseV8]

Also duracoat the rifle with a preval kit for a cheap durable alternative to regular paint.

[ar15barrels]

If I can spend $1000 building the rifle I want to build, why would I waste time buying a $700 factory rifle only to upgrade it fairly soon and end up spending more than if I had just built the rifle I wanted in the first place?

You can't put together a custom barreled action for $1000.

[ar15barrels]

So how do some of you guys feel about a Savage 10FP-SR for a first centerfire rifle?

Not this ***** again...

[hermosabeach]

OP

If you are serious about rifles, skip on asking questions on gear.

All gear has been discussed to death


If you have a basic mini 14 that can shoot a 12" group at 100 yards, then work on your technique so you can shoot the same as what the rifle is capable of shooting.

You can buy a sale surplus rifle from Big5 and learn how to shoot with iron sights out to 400-600 yards.

There is a great video series called sniper 101 on you tube. The guy knows his stuff and spends hours going over gear, cartridge selection, physics, positions, technique.

Look up the videos by Rex called sniper 101. He has posted maybe 60-70 videos on the topic.

Use the search function



Not to be a tool but if I were to reframe your question as-

I have never driven a car but I want to build a Porsche GT3 and then repaint the bumper, what do you think???

Spend some time and search out all of the great info on this forum.

You will find other threads where we suggest finding a local club that shoots the way you want to shoot. Meet up with them. Ask questions on gear.

Take classes to get a good fundamental structure.

The gun is not important as is the skill of being able to shoot to the potential of the gun.


Last point- at the range there is always someone who asks another shooter to shoot his gun to verify if the gun will group well or to shoot a group to see of the sights are off or if they are off.


Get good enough so you become the guy that others seek out as they know you can shoot well.


If you are ringing steel at 600 with a $150 surplus mosin shooting cheap light ball 7.62x 54r you can transition that skill to any other rifle.

And that concludes my rant.

[Merc1138]

I don't really know what this means. By the time I get what figured out? By the time I'm a better shooter? By the time I figure out what parts I would really want on a custom build?

If I can spend $1000 building the rifle I want to build, why would I waste time buying a $700 factory rifle only to upgrade it fairly soon and end up spending more than if I had just built the rifle I wanted in the first place?

$1000?

$500 for a cheaper action(like a remington, the better stuff is going to cost more, nevermind the additional work on the cheaper remington action, or on a more expensive action for that matter)
$200-$300 for a barrel
$150-$200 to install the barrel

That's already at your $1000 threshold and you don't even have a stock, trigger, bottom metal, better hope that action came with a bolt, scope mount, rings, scope, sales tax, shipping...

It's just not going to happen. While you could start with a cheap 700, you're basically going to still be throwing money at it and leaving parts in the trash anyway. Trying to build a rifle made out of take-off parts isn't going to work very well either.

If you buy custom crap, you're going to end up with customized crap. Just go buy something off the shelf and once you've worked on something called "fundamentals", then worry about getting something that suits your tastes(which you haven't figured out yet, and just looking at pictures of other people's rifles and maybe youtube videos isn't going to help with that), and worry about the paint and other "bling" last since it's the most irrelevant.

[Wrangler John]

Here is the actual cost, less shipping, tax and installation of the recoil lug, of a modest custom build. These are all parts I have purchased in building such a rifle. I am waiting for the barrel listed below to arrive and will swap it back and forth with two other barrels already in use.

New bare Remington 700 Action $389.99 (on sale http://www.brownells.com/rifle-parts...prod32498.aspx)

Add shipping FFL, markup, DOS fee, $85.00 (est) to action.

Trigger guard/floorplate, magazine box, follower & spring, OEM standard for BDL: $159.99 http://www.brownells.com/rifle-parts...s-prod340.aspx) Basic factory kit, nothing special.

Action Screws $6.99 (http://www.brownells.com/rifle-parts...-prod1273.aspx)

Gretan Rifles .250" Bedding Block Recoil Lug $35.00 + installation (http://www.gretanrifles.com/products/details.jsf)

Pac-Nor Super Match 1:10" Twist polygonal rifled, 24" Sendero Contour barrel, .308 Winchester barrel with Rem Nut and install Vias Muzzle Brake $675.00 (http://www.pac-nor.com/) This is for a barrel that installs with a Savage style nut by the customer. For a standard install without the nut cost = $685.00 including lapping & truing action and installing Vias Muzzle Brake.

Vais Muzzle Brake $99.99 (http://www.midwayusa.com/product/173...tainless-steel)

Bell& Carlson M4 Stock for Remington 700 Short Action $264 (http://www.stockysstocks.com/servlet...actical/Detail)

Total cost: 1,725.96

Add blue printing action, bushing firing pin and grinding to smaller diameter, double sleeving bolt, fitting lugs, supplying & installing double pinned recoil lug etc, add $500. (Deduct $35.00 for recoil lug above).

Install Jewel trigger, $230.

So really, it is cheaper to buy a new factory rifle, shoot it and then have work done as funds allow. This is what I used to do back in the day when I didn't make much money, save and customize as the piggy bank filled up.

P.S.: If you don't like bead blasted matte finished stainless steel barrels, then look into having it CeraKoted, it can even be done in camouflage with several colors, even the action can be done, but it is a bit more pricy that a can of Krylon.

[elsolo]

Haha so the op shouldn't roll an aftermarket barrel because he will "burn it out" before learning anything? That is pretty silly. Don't buy that $300 barrel because after $5000 worth of ammo it will be time to replace that tube. 99% of shooters will never shoot out a barrel in any firearm their entire life.

Build or buy, either way get some trigger time =)

Savages are a great rifle to start with and you have the choice to upgrade as you go. A 700 is also decent, but in the end will cost you more money and time than a savage will.

$300 is 30% of his state budget, with a goal of "hitting plates at 300 yards"

Don't think the aftermarket barrel is a prudent purchase at this point, and by the time he has developed the skills and experience to benefit from the custom barrel, it would be time to replace it anyhow.

If you are still getting the same accuracy from your barrel after $5k worth of reloading components, you are doing better than most by a large margin. What kind of lifespan do you get (or expect) from a precision rifle barrel?

[Mineralogy Mike]

Not this ***** again...

Ha, this is the exact reason I rarely ask anything on this damn forum. Along with all the "Use the search function, you stupid newb who thought we might just help you instead of act like we are better than you!" responses, it's amazing that people new to shooting even try talking to people here.

I'm sorry I'm not a gunsmith or that I haven't put 100 million rounds down range through every rifle ever made. I can't help that. But I thought Calguns was a place that likes to bill itself as the place for people to get good firearms-related help and information. Maybe it is, but that's only if you feel like getting a ration of crap along with every question you ask. How dare I not know everything from birth!

[GM4spd]

Ha, this is the exact reason I rarely ask anything on this damn forum. But I thought Calguns

With Calguns "thought" is your first mistake. You are probably better off
going to a forum that talks about the specific rifle you want rather then
taking abuse here. Also,for whatever reason,I have found other sites have
a better search function then here. Good luck and enjoy the sport or
hobby. When you go to other sites try to avoid mentioning you are
in CA,it tends to remind the outside world of the attitude you get
on this forum! Pete

[The War Wagon]

I think that you might be better off just buying a factory built rifle to learn on and upgrade over time. The problem with building something nice & trying to learn on is it is that buy the time that you have everything figured out odds are it is time to replace the barrel.

If it's your first rifle of this type? ^^^^^ THIS.

Don't know about 'painting,' but you can have them cerakoted. You can see the FDE cerakote through the rail of my FDE rifle.

[ar15barrels]

You are probably better off going to a forum that talks about the specific rifle you want

http://www.caprc.com/forums

[TMB 1]

So how do some of you guys feel about a Savage 10FP-SR for a first centerfire rifle?

I think it would be a good first or last 308 manually operated rifle.

[HK Dave]

Mike, if you're planning on upgrading you rifle into a custom in the future, get a Remington 700. You will thank us in the future.

If you are not planning on making your factory rifle into a custom, you could go other avenues... The tikka t3 comes to mind.

And the guy that said "not this .... Again" is a really nice guy. The kind that goes out of his way to start a precision rifle club to teach new guys like you.

[Mineralogy Mike]

Well, he's not the first "nice guy" to make an unnecessary rude comment. But whatever. I'll use up some other forum's bandwidth and you guys won't be subjected my newb whining.