Savage 10 FCP vs Remington 700 as SHTF 308 Caliber bolt action rifle?

[jpkar]

I didn't realize this thread was moved here!

[tacticalcity]

None of the upcoming laws awaiting signature effect bolt action rifles however there is a law from 2011 that will require registering long guns purchased 2014 and forward.

I've been considering the Remington 700 SPS Tactical myself. I'm now leaning towards the Remington 700 SPS AAC-SD 20" Barreled .308 rifle instead of the basic model. It is a really nice platform upon which to build a good stick. The stock is not the greatest, but that's just motivation to go with something really fun like an ACIS 2.0, or McMillian A5.

I don''t think SHTF is the proper roll for it. Especially if bugging out. I'd prefer an M4 for that long walk North myself. Lighter, faster target acquisition, pure speed all the way around. I'm not worried about bad guys I can hide from by seeing cover in the brush. I'm worried about the ones I can't because they've stumbled onto me and there is no where to go but through them. I would not want to have to rack the bolt and deal with magnified optics in a situation like that. That is what I consider SHTF. If I have the luxury of taking 600 yard shots...I'd rather not take them. Not unless I am being tracked or something. In which case an AR can say "stop following me" pretty darn well too even at 600 yards.

But I would very much like a precision bolt gun in the collection - and to my mind nothing off the rack beats a Remington 700 for versatility and customization options.

[BradleyAbrams]

If one were unfortunate enough to be involved in any number of theoretical SHTF scenarios... well, then; Ideally ( IMHO ) you would need TWO rifles and a Handgun in order to CYA.

These systems would be as follows;

One Uber-dependable Semi-Auto for CQB within 100 Meters range; and also with the inherent capability of good ballistic performance out to 300 Meters or so.

A second Rifle for sniping and harassment at distances ranging from 200 Meters on out to 600 - 700 meters on store bought or military issue .308 ( 7.62 X 51 ) ammo.


These are the platforms which I would suggest:

Semi Auto ( 7.62 X 39 )

AKM derivative / AMD65 (Modified )







And for those Special Times when you feel the absolute need to Reach Out and Touch someone...



Bolter ( .308 )

Savage 10PC - Accutrigger, Accustock, bottom fed 4-Rd mag*




Mag* - Aftermarket 10Rd mag from DarkEagle Customs is a good choice to augment the 10PC's 4-Rd OEM magazines.

http://www.darkeaglecustom.com/images/products/savage10RoundMagazineSA.jpg

And as a firearm of last resort; a Browning Hi-Power ( 9mm )



Again, just my opinion...



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[tacticalcity]

He said he wanted it for SHTF, so I went the SHTF route. His choice of purpose. When I think SHTF I think massive natural disaster, war, etc. I think of need to get out of dodge ASAP, and supply chain is depleted. Katrina x10 meets WWIII. The unthinkable. The impossible suddenly becoming reality. Otherwise you could just hunker down and wait it out and nobody would be trying to hurt each other aside from a few opportunists. The absolute worst case scenerio we couldn't even imagine.

The handgun on your hip is a given. It goes hand in hand with a rifle. Especially in CQB. Fastest reload is another gun. But that is a lot of rifles for two arms to carry along with food, medical supplies, armor, bug-out bag, ammo, etc.

If you have a vehicle, or more than one person you can bring all kinds of things you otherwise could not. If you're on foot and alone you have to pick and choose what stays and what goes.

[rm1911]

Savage 10 FCP vs Remington 700 as SHTF 308 Caliber bolt action rifle?

What's wrong with a good old deer rifle?

For one it's not "tactical". Two it doesn't have any "tactical" parts. Three it didn't come with a "tactical" price tag. Four everyone will laugh at you because you don't have a "tactical" rifle. Five it's not tactical. Did I mention that already???

Actually nothing at all. Most modern deer rifles will do MOA maybe 1.5MOA. translate that out far enough and that's more than fine for 600yds. Way more than fine. As for bolt rifles and SHTF well yes, there's a place for sure. Lots of uses. It should be part of any plan. And part of that plan is shooting it and being competent with it. Rifle shooting is skill and craft.

[tacticalcity]

"What's wrong with a good old deer rifle?"

Nothing wrong with it at all. It is just a matter of taste and preference. The same could be said of the tactical rifles he likes. What's wrong with them? Same answer. Nothing. Different strokes for different folks.

[postal]

I'm getting really tired of everything under the sun being tactical.... even pens.....

However, I would point out one single difference between a deer rifle and a 'tactical rifle'.... is the stock.

As long as the hunting rifle DOES **NOT** have a wood stock, it's fine. On occasion you see rifles with the laminated stocks which would be fine... but not a traditional wood stock. The changes in humidity and long term rain/wet conditions will mess up traditional wood stocks very quickly which has a significant effect on accuracy. Even if the stock looks fine.

This isnt much issue with the laminates because there's so much glue, and they're layered like plywood.

So, a fiberglass or composite or laminate stocked hunting rifle would be fine- just not traditional wood stocked.