Savage Summary

[Exodus343]

Anyone knowhow much the GAP Templar actions cost? Doesn't say on their website

And Randall: holy s***! if a long action will hit your nose, it'll definitely hit mine since your much taller than me

There goes my 6.5x55 build lol

[bobgengeskahn]

Anyone knowhow much the GAP Templar actions cost? Doesn't say on their website

And Randall: holy s***! if a long action will hit your nose, it'll definitely hit mine since your much taller than me

There goes my 6.5x55 build lol

Theres always the 6.5 Creedmoor or the .260 in short actions...

As an aside, does anyone have experience with the life expectancy of a 6.5x55 barrel in long range shooting? I have heard everything from "average" (5000+) for hunting all the way down to 2000 with high velocity loads.

I'm assuming 1k shooting is more on the end of high velocity since the round was originally a military/hunting round, and not necessarily meant for LR shooting. If it is as low as some of the estimates I have seen, it would be a pretty good push for me to go with a Savage action. I don't particularly like mailing my guns away or having shops work on them extensively, there is a shortage of shops and competent smiths in my area, and I have heard stories of people getting burned pretty bad.

[Whiterabbit]

Hey Kahn,

Just a little more about the savage. AR15barrels says none he has seen will do a hundred rounds or so without giving problems. I am willing to believe that. My savage NEVER had an action problem, a magazine problem, a bolt problem, it was all slick. But the barrel was a comparative pencil @ .75" diameter at the muzzle for a 338 lapua. I could go about 3 rounds before the barrel needed some cool time. if I went over 5 rounds quickly, the barrel was VERY hot and took a VERY long time to cool. If I was in a class, this would be a problem.

I am willing to bet though, had I replaced the barrel with another one that was full bull, I would have had no issues.

as to paying someone else to swap a barrel, well, I can understand that too. If the guy doesnt want to make a switch barrel, just replace a barrel, and is looking at a $50 charge to swap the barrel or a $45 wrench PLUS barrel vise (free if you own a drill press and vise) PLUS headspace gauges, well, I understand why it's easier to just farm the work.

BUT, what is nice about the switch barrel is you can buy ANY suitable savage without regard to the cartridge. With the Rem700, it may be wise to consider the boltface or other considerations.

-------------

But really, I posted to talk about mag cap. I assume the rem700 has this too, but Savage has replaceable bottom metal so you can use AI mags. And I'll bet you can get them cheaper than for the 700

[jetman624]

If you want to read a lot more good posts I have made on choosing a precision rifle and ammo, go read the stickied threads on the caprc.com forums.

Very informative thread over there on this topic-- thanks for taking the time to write that up.

[postal]

Hey Kahn,

Just a little more about the savage. AR15barrels says none he has seen will do a hundred rounds or so without giving problems. I am willing to believe that.

Not entirely true... Randall knows I shoot a savage in the comps.

Never dropped out because of rifle problems. Dropped out of one match since I changed something on the rifle and lost my zero. Cold bore was 5 ft right and 5 ft high.... Forget it... I'm out!

[ar15barrels]

Anyone knowhow much the GAP Templar actions cost?

They don't sell actions.
You can buy the same action from defiance though for around $900 to $1400 depending on which variant.
I recommend the "Deviant" as its all one piece receiver, rail and lug.

[ar15barrels]

As an aside, does anyone have experience with the life expectancy of a 6.5x55 barrel in long range shooting? I have heard everything from "average" (5000+) for hunting all the way down to 2000 with high velocity loads.

Barrel life depends on your accuracy requirement.
If you require 1/2 moa, plan on rebarreling around 2000-2500 rounds.
If you only require 1moa, you can probably go to 3500 rounds or more.

[Exodus343]

They don't sell actions.
You can buy the same action from defiance though for around $900 to $1400 depending on which variant.
I recommend the "Deviant" as its all one piece receiver, rail and lug.

oh.... yeah
I think I might just get another r700 and strip it, LOL


hey Randall how much would it be to bed, blueprint, and true my action?
please pm me the quote

[ar15barrels]

AR15barrels says none he has seen will do a hundred rounds or so without giving problems.
-------
But really, I posted to talk about mag cap. I assume the rem700 has this too, but Savage has replaceable bottom metal so you can use AI mags. And I'll bet you can get them cheaper than for the 700

I never said that "none I have seen will do 100 rounds without problems."
I said that we see lots of problems.
There are some that work just fine.
The issue is choosing one of those guns when you are buying it.
Like forest gump says; savages are like a box of chocolates, you never know what you're gonna get...

PTG has AI bottom metal for 700's on sale every month or two for $75.
Normal price is $99.

[ar15barrels]

how much would it be to bed, blueprint, and true my action?

Bolt action shop prices are on www.700barrels.com

I recommend replacing the bolt with an oversized Ptg bolt at the time of truing.
Figure $125 for the bolt body and handle plus $50 to time and weld a handle for a 2 piece bolt or $200 for a 1 piece bolt which is my recommendation.
Then the receiver truing and pinning a recoil lug if you are going to epoxy bed the action into a stock.
After truing is the time to put on a new barrel.

[Exodus343]

Bolt action shop prices are on www.700barrels.com

I recommend replacing the bolt with an oversized Ptg bolt at the time of truing.
Figure $125 for the bolt body and handle plus $50 to time and weld a handle for a 2 piece bolt or $200 for a 1 piece bolt which is my recommendation.
Then the receiver truing and pinning a recoil lug if you are going to epoxy bed the action into a stock.
After truing is the time to put on a new barrel.

oversized ptg bolt?
do I get the one piece bolt?

[ar15barrels]

Savage Summary

oversized ptg bolt?
do I get the one piece bolt?

As part of truing a receiver, I open the receiver's bolt bore up to 0.705" with a piloted reamer designed specifically for the job.
That ensures that the receiver bore is round and straight.
Then the threads, receiver face and lugs all get re-cut inline with the receivers bolt bore.
Typical bolts are 0.696" diameter and the receiver is typically 0.703" inside diameter so there is around 0.007" of clearance there.
We go to a 0.702" or 0.703" diameter bolt to tighten up the fit between receiver and bolt.

Standard PTG bolts are two-piece where the bolt handle needs to be welded to the bolt body.
The one-piece bolts have the handle and the bolt body all milled from one piece which is the strongest way to make a bolt.

[toby]

I don't always shoot rifles, but when I do, I don't shoot Remington.................. Stay open minded my friends....

[Exodus343]

So much work for a remington
What a pita lol

So Randall, either one piece or two piece is fine?

[ar15barrels]

So Randall, either one piece or two piece is fine?

The one-piece is nicer.