Timney vs. Triggertech / Opinions?

[SmokeTheClay]

[yacko]

Yes, obviously. I'm not a BR shooter, btw. OP asked about general target shooting, not PRS games.

I've done a few PRS-style comps with NCPPRC. They're fun. My rifle is a general purpose, do-it-all. Small groups when I want, long range when I want. Prone, off-hand, positional, off barricades/obstacles, etc. I use a bipod and a rear bag. Pretty simple. I don't worry about rain/mud/debris because I've never encountered that before while shooting, so it's not a determining factor when I shopped for a trigger. And I've gone out on BLM and National Forest land to shoot, hiking through forest and up the side of a mountain with my rifle. The thing just doesn't get that dirty *shrug*. This shouldn't be such a controversy.

And yes, it has a brake. But it doesn't kick up debris when I shoot, not that I've noticed anyway.

Defiance Deviant Tactical
Bartlein M24, 4-groove in 6.5 CM
Sugeon DBM
Jewell trigger (gasp!)
McMillan A5-A with KWM Loggerhead hardware
Atlas bipod
Tangent Theta 5-25
Seekins rings

I have another rifle in the works at the moment. Starting with a Lone Peak Arms Fuzion action. The rest will be identical but might try a Bix-n-Any Tac Sport Pro trigger.

It's not like I'm fighting for Jewell's reputation here. I couldn't care less.

Those groups are routine for this rifle at 100 yards. 5 shots in the teens. And a target from NCPPRC 1,000-yard comp.

Steel plate is 66% IPSC at 1,200 yards.
























This is Calguns. It hasn't rained here in decades lol

Most of your pics are rolling green hills- dust and dirt isnt much issue there.

The last pic with the brush, your rifle isnt on the ground on the bipod. Its on a bench or table or the bed of a truck.

Not prone bipod in the sand.. Otherwise the brush would be in scope view... and you have to choose your spot carefully to avoid the brush. Then the dirt gets kicked up by other shooters in your squad. Or the wind. you arent dealing with the sand 4 feet off the ground unless the winds really kick up a dust devil.

[yacko]

The muzzle blast issues come from crawling in tubes or under hay bales and shooting in confined spaces that throw the dirt around. Some PRS matches have stages that are like that and blast dirt and rocks everywhere. They absolutely do that on purpose to get you to flinch and/or break your equipment.

Or a free for all everyone on the squad shooting at the same time so the brakes on either side of you throw dirt sideways onto you.

[thegiff]

The muzzle blast issues come from crawling in tubes or under hay bales and shooting in confined spaces that throw the dirt around. Some PRS matches have stages that are like that and blast dirt and rocks everywhere. They absolutely do that on purpose to get you to flinch and/or break your equipment.

[thegiff]

Ha ha yeah I hadn’t gone to matches much during covid, then went to an NRL Hunter match in San Diego and got rain and hail. Last two stages quite stupidly I didn’t bring my scope cover and my scope had hail stuck in the end bell and I couldn’t see anything. Got my butt kicked bad.

[FourT6and2]

Yes, obviously. I'm not a BR shooter, btw. OP asked about general target shooting, not PRS games.

I've done a few PRS-style comps with NCPPRC. They're fun. My rifle is a general purpose, do-it-all. Small groups when I want, long range when I want. Prone, off-hand, positional, off barricades/obstacles, etc. I use a bipod and a rear bag. Pretty simple. I don't worry about rain/mud/debris because I've never encountered that before while shooting, so it's not a determining factor when I shopped for a trigger. And I've gone out on BLM and National Forest land to shoot, hiking through forest and up the side of a mountain with my rifle. The thing just doesn't get that dirty *shrug*. This shouldn't be such a controversy.

And yes, it has a brake. But it doesn't kick up debris when I shoot, not that I've noticed anyway.

Defiance Deviant Tactical
Bartlein M24, 4-groove in 6.5 CM
Sugeon DBM
Jewell trigger (gasp!)
McMillan A5-A with KWM Loggerhead hardware
Atlas bipod
Tangent Theta 5-25
Seekins rings

I have another rifle in the works at the moment. Starting with a Lone Peak Arms Fuzion action. The rest will be identical but might try a Bix-n-Any Tac Sport Pro trigger.

It's not like I'm fighting for Jewell's reputation here. I couldn't care less.

Those groups are routine for this rifle at 100 yards. 5 shots in the teens. And a target from NCPPRC 1,000-yard comp.

Steel plate is 66% IPSC at 1,200 yards.






















This is Calguns. It hasn't rained here in decades lol

[thegiff]

Agree with Yacko’s comments, different triggers for different disciplines. I’ve been to a match where it rained every day for three days and you got muddy and wet on 1 out of 4 stages or so and blew dirt and mud around with muzzle blast. Had a couple triggers go down on our squad and I had the cleaning tools and equipment to bring them back.

Another match in New Mexico where it was really sandy and windy. Blowing sand would come up constantly. I kept my rifle in a soft case except when shooting, none of my squad mates followed my lead, even on the second day. Didn’t even wrap or cover their rifles. Had multiple triggers go down and even bolts not cycle or rounds not chamber just in my squad. Idiotic in my view but whatever.

[FourT6and2]

And thats why we have a communication problem.

Is reliablitlity secondary or tertiary to your home protection firearms?

You say 'take a beater rifle to a match'

I say this is the match and I take my Comp rifle to the match.

My comp rifle has to deal with the wind and sand and dust and the muzzle brakes throwing up more dust and it HAS TO WORK. Reliability is absolutely required.. Accuracy is now tied with reliability under harsh conditions.

Sounds to me, your comp gun is BR- On a nice windless day- the sun is shining just right- no shadows.... my butt is perfectly seated in the chair, the air temp/humidity are just perfect for shooting tiny bugholes.

go put that thing prone in the dirt with people on both sides of you shooting with brakes spittting dirt on your panda action. A couple blasts in the dirt from brakes- you wont even be able to close that action.

Point is... built for a PURPOSE- You seem to be built for BR with everything perfect and clean.

We shoot in the dirt and the sand and the rain- It has to function first- accuracy is good- but a fouled trigger or an action that wont close because a little dirt doesnt work here.

Different builds- different purposes.

You will want to brag about your tiny groups on a great day.

I will not have as good of groups as you- but I can do it any day. Including dust/dirt/rain or shine. Different build- different purpose. Yes I shot a 2 day match in the rain- at least when it rained the sand got wet and didnt get kicked up into the trigger/action from the crazy winds before the rain.

Different game- different equipment- different expectations.

But- if you are just a range queen nice weather shooter on a bench with no dust/dirt/sand- a jewell work just fine for you.

So if you are a BR guy- ask Lynn about the best triggers for that game.

He knows his stuff. No joke- he is the resident expert. I hold him in high regard. He also knows those triggers and actions dont play nice in the dirt.

Sure thing

[LynnJr]

OP
Since your after a hunting and general purpose target trigger try the various options out and get what you like.
I own jewells bix&andy flavio fare shilen timney sss rifle basix canjar kepplinger anschutz calfee and kenyon triggers and i wouldnt put a 2 stage trigger on any gun i own.
That said if i was shooting in a competition environment that demanded a 2 stage trigger i would own several and use them.
Tomorrow i will be hunting with a timney and monday i will be hunting with a jewell.
If your ever in norcal get in touch and you can try them out before you buy one.
We shoot gongs out to 3700 yards each month and in the last 8 years we have never had a trigger of any manufacturer fail on the line and we lay in the dirt with big boomers.

[yacko]

I just have different priorities. Reliability in adverse conditions is a secondary or even tertiary criteria for me. I do love the feel of the TT Diamond. Just wish it had over-travel adjustability. I would ditch Jewell and switch if it did because precision/accuracy is my number one goal. Sure, I can hit a plate no problem with the TT. But I also like tight groups and Jewell gets me there better than TT.

Any experience with the Bix n Andy Tac Sport Pro?

And thats why we have a communication problem.

Is reliablitlity secondary or tertiary to your home protection firearms?

You say 'take a beater rifle to a match'

I say this is the match and I take my Comp rifle to the match.

My comp rifle has to deal with the wind and sand and dust and the muzzle brakes throwing up more dust and it HAS TO WORK. Reliability is absolutely required.. Accuracy is now tied with reliability under harsh conditions.

Sounds to me, your comp gun is BR- On a nice windless day- the sun is shining just right- no shadows.... my butt is perfectly seated in the chair, the air temp/humidity are just perfect for shooting tiny bugholes.

go put that thing prone in the dirt with people on both sides of you shooting with brakes spittting dirt on your panda action. A couple blasts in the dirt from brakes- you wont even be able to close that action.

Point is... built for a PURPOSE- You seem to be built for BR with everything perfect and clean.

We shoot in the dirt and the sand and the rain- It has to function first- accuracy is good- but a fouled trigger or an action that wont close because a little dirt doesnt work here.

Different builds- different purposes.

You will want to brag about your tiny groups on a great day.

I will not have as good of groups as you- but I can do it any day. Including dust/dirt/rain or shine. Different build- different purpose. Yes I shot a 2 day match in the rain- at least when it rained the sand got wet and didnt get kicked up into the trigger/action from the crazy winds before the rain.

Different game- different equipment- different expectations.

But- if you are just a range queen nice weather shooter on a bench with no dust/dirt/sand- a jewell work just fine for you.

So if you are a BR guy- ask Lynn about the best triggers for that game.

He knows his stuff. No joke- he is the resident expert. I hold him in high regard. He also knows those triggers and actions dont play nice in the dirt.

[thegiff]

I haven't come across one so far, though I hear they are really nice. I personally don't like overtravel, it throws my shots off by making the rifle jump a bit.

[FourT6and2]

The reason comp shooters went to Triggertech is because they adjust well, feel right, and are relatively dirt tolerant.

Hubers are non-adjustable and would be much more popular if they were.

Jewells feel great and are properly adjustable but go down all the time in dirty conditions. Against the Triggertech, I’d say the Triggertech feels better.

Calvin Elite has a similar design to the Jewell therefore similar lack of tolerance to dirt therefore if you can get same or better feel and more dirt tolerance you will get a Triggertech.

Cost is secondary to performance and reliability. A match cost about $1k to attend or more if you are by yourself. Those who want to win will do anything to gain an edge, equipment is part, practice is most. We want to depend on the equipment to focus on skill.

I don’t have a beater rifle, or beater components. My equipment just evolves over time as I upgrade and interests change, experiment and learn new things, work with match certs and the circle of people around me and various deals and trades. Hence the combo of rifles and components I have now.

I just have different priorities. Reliability in adverse conditions is a secondary or even tertiary criteria for me. I do love the feel of the TT Diamond. Just wish it had over-travel adjustability. I would ditch Jewell and switch if it did because precision/accuracy is my number one goal. Sure, I can hit a plate no problem with the TT. But I also like tight groups and Jewell gets me there better than TT.

Any experience with the Bix n Andy Tac Sport Pro?

[thegiff]

The reason comp shooters went to Triggertech is because they adjust well, feel right, and are relatively dirt tolerant.

Hubers are non-adjustable and would be much more popular if they were.

Jewells feel great and are properly adjustable but go down all the time in dirty conditions. Against the Triggertech, I’d say the Triggertech feels better.

Calvin Elite has a similar design to the Jewell therefore similar lack of tolerance to dirt therefore if you can get same or better feel and more dirt tolerance you will get a Triggertech.

Cost is secondary to performance and reliability. A match cost about $1k to attend or more if you are by yourself. Those who want to win will do anything to gain an edge, equipment is part, practice is most. We want to depend on the equipment to focus on skill.

I don’t have a beater rifle, or beater components. My equipment just evolves over time as I upgrade and interests change, experiment and learn new things, work with match certs and the circle of people around me and various deals and trades. Hence the combo of rifles and components I have now.

[thegiff]

I take a spare trigger with me, saved me at a match. My brand new Timney Calvin Elite went down at its first match, couldn’t be revived, jumped to my Huber. I keep a trigger, punch and extra pins in my pack at 2 day matches, I’ve seen maybe a dozen triggers go down with Jewels being the most prevalent, then stock Remington turned down too low, then the Calvin Elite. Usually can be brought back with a good spray clean, which I carry if I’m not flying. NRL has a support trailer with spare everything.

[FourT6and2]

mmmmmmkay.........

So you spend a couple hundred on entry fees, several hundred on travel and hotel/food. Couple hundred on ammo

Go to a match for PRS or NRL and take a beater rifle with you. Not your $6k-10k purpose built comp gun.... that can handle the dust and dirt if you dont run a jewell or other 'sensitive to dirt' trigger.

Makes sense.... if your purpose built comp gun is actually just a safe queen. and dont shoot it in competition.

Look at your other thread. the 6.5cm thread. The target pics from 'thegiff'- that rifle is being built up as a prs/nrl rifle- it's a JJRock action (cheaper than many) with a Bartlein 6.5 cm barrel in a chassis. Dont know what trigger or scope he put on it though. Still.. about $5k+ depending on the scope/mount/chassis/trigger.

When I say "beater" I don't mean cheap.