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  • Viper49
    Senior Member
    • Feb 2007
    • 520

    Consecutive Serial number firearms value

    What is the fair value for a consecutive serial number firearm, 5 or 10 percent?

    Gone to an estate sale, found two Newly manufacture Winchester 1886 (Miroku) saddle ring carbine with consecutive serial number. The seller asking $3600 for the pair. Is this fair price?
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    200Apples
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    CGN Contributor - Lifetime
    • Dec 2011
    • 7217

    Sounds like a cool find!

    MSRP for a new 24" Miroku Winchester 1886 is $1449.99

    Unless they also have not just their "box n' docs" but a well-made, wooden display case containing both rifles and perhaps with some story or theme to go along with them, what's the value of two consec serial numbered firearms? Beats me.

    It's what a buyer would pay.


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    • #3
      200Apples
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      • Dec 2011
      • 7217

      Originally posted by Viper49

      What is the fair value [increase] for a consecutive serial number firearm, 5 or 10 percent?

      Fwiw, I paid what was then retail for 2009 in 2017 for two consecutive-serial-numbered 5-1/2" Ruger New Model single action flat top Blackhawks in .44 Special. Their blued finish had been compromised from being laid against a sheet of bubble pack plastic and in the Ruger hard plastic case where the cases had been exposed to some small amount of water or a very high duration of high humidity... they look fine from a short distance but up close one can see the mottled finish of the blueing from the damp plastic over whatever length of time it was (eight years?)...

      No matter to me because at the time as well as today I didn't buy them for any other reason than to shoot them. A lot.

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      • #4
        The Gleam
        I need a LIFE!!
        • Feb 2011
        • 12931

        Guns that are more utilitarian AND rare, that you just happen to also find in consecutive serial numbers of the same model, fetch a higher percentage of sale-price consideration for that reason alone - than do commemorative or special set pieces (like highly polished consecutive serial number Colt Government & Colt Commander sets) intentionally sold in that manner by manufacturers.

        It's primarily because it was luck of the draw that they were purchased or found consecutively at all - a much more rare circumstance to come upon.

        I kind of have a thing for consecutive serial number paired guns that were not intended to be a set, especially if they were obscure military surplus.

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        Originally posted by Librarian
        What compelling interest has any level of government in knowing what guns are owned by civilians? (Those owned by government should be inventoried and tracked, for exactly the same reasons computers and desks and chairs are tracked: responsible care of public property.)

        If some level of government had that information, what would they do with it? How would having that info benefit public safety? How would it benefit law enforcement?

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        • #5
          sigstroker
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          • Jan 2009
          • 19778

          If you pay a collector price, you won't want to shoot them.

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          • #6
            Fjold
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            • Oct 2005
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            Two consecutive serial numbers don't add anything except sentimental value if you give them to your kids or something and unless they are a NIB set of Colt single action revolvers from the 1800's or something like that.

            I have a gun that is serial number 0005 and I shoot the heck out of it.
            Frank

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            • #7
              The Gleam
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              • Feb 2011
              • 12931

              Originally posted by Fjold
              Two consecutive serial numbers don't add anything except sentimental value if you give them to your kids or something and unless they are a NIB set of Colt single action revolvers from the 1800's or something like that.

              I have a gun that is serial number 0005 and I shoot the heck out of it.
              From my own collection I have a few examples - such as it is, they are examples of only a few hundred to a thousand guns made of a certain model, that was never intended to become a 'collectors' item, nor ever sold in pairs in the first place, and yet the pair are from a limited production run that just also happen to be consecutive serial numbered; it adds a bit of quaintness and rarity to the pair.

              Such may be the case for a pair of Semmerling LM4s, US&S 1911s, or S&W Model 50s.

              Ironically, at the other end of the spectrum is to have a very common military surplus guns thst saw action, like a Springfield 1903, Garand, or Beretta M9 and yet you have a pair that are consecuitve serial numbers; the odds of that happening are very low unless they were intentionally set aside and stored together for a paired sale one day.

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              Originally posted by Librarian
              What compelling interest has any level of government in knowing what guns are owned by civilians? (Those owned by government should be inventoried and tracked, for exactly the same reasons computers and desks and chairs are tracked: responsible care of public property.)

              If some level of government had that information, what would they do with it? How would having that info benefit public safety? How would it benefit law enforcement?

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              • #8
                Nihonto Chicken
                Member
                • Jul 2009
                • 455

                Originally posted by The Gleam
                I kind of have a thing for consecutive serial number paired guns that were not intended to be a set, especially if they were obscure military surplus.
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                Originally posted by The Gleam
                Ironically, at the other end of the spectrum is to have a very common military surplus guns thst saw action, like a Springfield 1903, Garand, or Beretta M9 and yet you have a pair that are consecuitve serial numbers; the odds of that happening are very low unless they were intentionally set aside and stored together for a paired sale one day.
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                Here's your chance! Well, depending on the size of your wallet.



                Not likely this pair saw any action, save what will occur in this auction. Let us know if you grab the brass ring!
                "Of all tyrannies a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." ~ C. S. Lewis

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                • #9
                  The Gleam
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                  • Feb 2011
                  • 12931

                  Originally posted by Nihonto Chicken
                  Here's your chance! Well, depending on the size of your wallet.



                  Not likely this pair saw any action, save what will occur in this auction. Let us know if you grab the brass ring!

                  I had that auction bookmarked within 5 minutes after it posted on Sunday night!!

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                  Originally posted by Librarian
                  What compelling interest has any level of government in knowing what guns are owned by civilians? (Those owned by government should be inventoried and tracked, for exactly the same reasons computers and desks and chairs are tracked: responsible care of public property.)

                  If some level of government had that information, what would they do with it? How would having that info benefit public safety? How would it benefit law enforcement?

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                    • #11
                      The Gleam
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                      • Feb 2011
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                      And what if the numbers start at some random number like 6550 such as is the case for various Luger production/contract runs, or manufacturers that started at higher numbers so as not to appear low production? ( The Whitney Wolverine comes to mind ).

                      Sometimes a certain series of numbers are rare within a small range of serial numbers for various reasons, a certain contract, troop, order lot, production under duress, a series that was supposed to be destroyed - and a consecutive pair from that series would make it even more rare in coincidence or chance.

                      Nothing is always black and white, or 1 and 2.

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                      Originally posted by Librarian
                      What compelling interest has any level of government in knowing what guns are owned by civilians? (Those owned by government should be inventoried and tracked, for exactly the same reasons computers and desks and chairs are tracked: responsible care of public property.)

                      If some level of government had that information, what would they do with it? How would having that info benefit public safety? How would it benefit law enforcement?

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                      • #12
                        LynnJr
                        Calguns Addict
                        • Jan 2013
                        • 7958

                        Consecutive serial numbers always adds value wether you like it or not doesnt really matter as somebody will spend the money for it.
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                        • #13
                          Viper49
                          Senior Member
                          • Feb 2007
                          • 520

                          Just to want to clarify, these two Winchester 1886 is the saddle ring carbine, there MSRP is 1629.99. Then is the 1886 saddle ring carbine more collectible then the standard rifle?

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                          • #14
                            JohnCCW
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                            • Jan 2013
                            • 1307

                            Originally posted by Viper49
                            Just to want to clarify, these two Winchester 1886 is the saddle ring carbine, there MSRP is 1629.99. Then is the 1886 saddle ring carbine more collectible then the standard rifle?
                            New Miroku Winchester collectible? Maybe in 100 years. Give it to a grandkid.
                            They are well made guns, generally better quality than std. Winchester factory product.
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                            • #15
                              M1NM
                              Calguns Addict
                              • Oct 2011
                              • 7966

                              The only way I could see a boost in value if the 2 guns were ordered together by someone famous and/or each had different features. Such as one without the saddle ring, different barrel length, Marble sights - of course all backed up by a factory letter.
                              Now that all goes out the window if those were "real" 1886 guns and the factory letter shows the pair was bought and shipped to the sheriff of Tombstone shortly before the Clanton's showed up.

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