Would this be CA Legal?

[sean76034]

From my understanding, if someone uses a "KaliKey BCG" on a normal semi-auto rifle, the KaliKey turns it into a bolt action repeater, which allows them to use features such as collapsible stock, removable magazine, flash hider, pistol grip, etc. because by definition it is no longer an semi-auto centerfire rifle.

So would the same concept apply if someone built their rifle with a normal BCG, but instead of the KaliKey, they use an adjustable gas block that is set to the completely closed position so it prevents the BCG from cycling?

[Russian Bot]

No, this won't work because basically the gas system is intact and you would only have adjust the gas block to make it semi auto again.

[sean76034]

No, this won't work because basically the gas system is intact and you would only have adjust the gas block to make it semi auto again.

Sure, but with some fixed magazine setups one would only have to adjust a screw to take the mag out.

[Quiet]

Sure, but with some fixed magazine setups one would only have to adjust a screw to take the mag out.

If the screw can be adjusted/removed without the firearm's action being disassembled, then the firearm does not have a CA legal fixed magazine.

From my understanding, if someone uses a "KaliKey BCG" on a normal semi-auto rifle, the KaliKey turns it into a bolt action repeater, which allows them to use features such as collapsible stock, removable magazine, flash hider, pistol grip, etc. because by definition it is no longer an semi-auto centerfire rifle.

So would the same concept apply if someone built their rifle with a normal BCG, but instead of the KaliKey, they use an adjustable gas block that is set to the completely closed position so it prevents the BCG from cycling?

Since 2000, per CA DOJ BOF...

If all the parts to make the firearm operate as a semi-auto are installed on the firearm, then it will be considered a semi-auto firearm, even if it is temporarily modified to not operate as a semi-auto.

In order for the firearm to not be considered semi-auto, the parts that will allow the firearm to operate as a semi-auto must be removed or modified to be permanently disabled/inoperable.

Examples...
~AR style firearm with gas block & gas tube installed and an interruption device installed that prevents the semi-auto action from being completed = firearm is still considered semi-auto. ("broken" semi-auto)
~AR style firearm with adjustable gas block & gas tube installed and gas block is set in the off/closed position = firearm is still considered semi-auto. ("broken" semi-auto)
~AR style firearm with adjustable gas block & gas tube installed and gas block is welded in the off/closed position = firearm is no longer considered semi-auto.
~AR style firearm with gas block installed and gas tube removed = firearm is no longer considered semi-auto.

In the past, there have been convictions for people possessing "broken" assault weapons.

[sean76034]

If the screw can be adjusted/removed without the firearm's action being disassembled, then the firearm does not have a CA legal fixed magazine.



Since 2000, per CA DOJ BOF...

If all the parts to make the firearm operate as a semi-auto are installed on the firearm, then it will be considered a semi-auto firearm, even if it is temporarily modified to not operate as a semi-auto.

In order for the firearm to not be considered semi-auto, the parts that will allow the firearm to operate as a semi-auto must be removed or modified to be permanently disabled/inoperable.

Examples...
~AR style firearm with gas block & gas tube installed and an interruption device installed that prevents the semi-auto action from being completed = firearm is still considered semi-auto. ("broken" semi-auto)
~AR style firearm with adjustable gas block & gas tube installed and gas block is set in the off/closed position = firearm is still considered semi-auto. ("broken" semi-auto)
~AR style firearm with adjustable gas block & gas tube installed and gas block is welded in the off/closed position = firearm is no longer considered semi-auto.
~AR style firearm with gas block installed and gas tube removed = firearm is no longer considered semi-auto.

In the past, there have been convictions for people possessing "broken" assault weapons.

Thank you for clearing that up.

[ar15barrels]

So would the same concept apply if someone built their rifle with a normal BCG, but instead of the KaliKey,
they use an adjustable gas block that is set to the completely closed position so it prevents the BCG from cycling?

For 15 years before you joined this forum, the same argument has been tried to be made...

[splithoof]

For 15 years before you joined this forum, the same argument has been tried to be made...

[abinsinia]

Examples...
~AR style firearm with gas block & gas tube installed and an interruption device installed that prevents the semi-auto action from being completed = firearm is still considered semi-auto. ("broken" semi-auto)

What's an example of an "interruption device" ? It seems like the Kali-key would be a permanent conversion because you can't simply remove a part to convert back to semi-auto. You would have to add new parts into the gun to get back to semi-auto.

[ar15barrels]

The difference as I see it (please correct me if wrong) from the posting by Quiet above, is that while it is not a permanent alteration (because the part could be replaced with one that was not welded)

Be careful.
Ruger might not sell you a replacement part.
They are sticky about always wanting the gun sent back to them for repair and not selling parts.

[ar15barrels]

What's an example of an "interruption device" ? It seems like the Kali-key would be a permanent conversion because you can't simply remove a part to convert back to semi-auto. You would have to add new parts into the gun to get back to semi-auto.

The Kali-key is an interruption device.
You can simply remove it and install a standard bolt carrier group and the gun functions as a semi-auto.

The kali-key is not a permanent modification because it comes out without any tools.

[vf111]

If I wanted such a useless beast, I would not even install the gas block and just weld shut the gas port (why waste a perfectly good gas block and tube?). On the other hand, just get a bolt action + chassis and you can have all the features you want.

[splithoof]

Be careful.
Ruger might not sell you a replacement part.
They are sticky about always wanting the gun sent back to them for repair and not selling parts.

[NorCalRefuge]

https://armaglock.com/product/fixed-magazine-lock-ar-maglock-ar-15-223-5-56-gen-4/

Get it with the KingPin. Run all the features you want. Easy 5 minute change back to normal when you're out of state.

You'll thank me later.

[peterinsj]

Bolt action upper

I have an upper with no gas feed tube and the gas feed block rotated 180 degrees. It is a straight pull bolt action, rotating the block prevents gas from being blown out (the feed hole is offset so the gas feed device becomes a gas block device). With no gas feed tube it is impossible to quickly convert it to semi auto, all parts are no present.

I also have a functional semi auto upper. When this is not installed on an upper it is not a firearm. When I am in other states I put this upper on the lower I use for my bolt action in California.

The upper has the critical components for semi auto fire, not the lower.

[USMCM16A2]

Look up Uinitah Precision. A2